Published on
June 24th, 2020
36 minutes

Vol: It Never Went Away – Live with Matt Rowe & Max Wiethe


Live ·
Featuring Raoul Pal & Ash Bennington

Published on: June 24th, 2020 • Duration: 36 minutes

With 5 days to go before The Crypto Gathering kicks off at 10.00am ET on June 29, we’re taking you backstage… Raoul Pal and Ash Bennington are your hosts – They’ll be sharing details on the event, stories from behind the scenes, and answering some of your questions. Real Vision members: details on how to register for the event are available in your email or via Milton. Non-members: go to to get one of the remaining tickets before the price goes up…



  • AD
    Alexander D.
    9 July 2020 @ 19:06
    For the members do we have a link to follow yet for the replays of the event? I tried the solution recommended by e-mail to set my tickets to "0" but it wouldn't work.
  • MN
    MIMI N.
    1 July 2020 @ 20:57
    I cant get back in
  • JM
    Joseph M.
    30 June 2020 @ 13:06
    To the RV team, guess you are very busy with the gathering but could you resolve the issues for members who can't gain access? As a Pro member I had no email invite and when chased the coupon kindly provided had expired by the start of the festival.
    • JM
      Joseph M.
      30 June 2020 @ 14:27
      As way of an update, rather than direct email I used the 'contact us' function on the website and Milton was very fast at replying, so now registered. If you are reading, thanks Milton. I'm sure you've had a few busy days..
  • AW
    Adam W.
    29 June 2020 @ 23:17
    Did anyone ever get any feedback or a resolution about the gathering technical issues? It was a dumpster fire on my end. I gave up and have no idea how to get in.
  • JH
    Jacqueline H.
    29 June 2020 @ 21:21
    Plus member, no email, can't find access. smh...
  • bt
    brian t.
    29 June 2020 @ 19:40
    cant get in, will not turn tracking on.... not happening....
    • bt
      brian t.
      29 June 2020 @ 19:50
      double verification, email confirmation. works
  • SM
    Sergio M.
    29 June 2020 @ 17:28
    Sergio Got membership can’t get in.
  • RL
    Ruby L.
    29 June 2020 @ 16:45
    Paid my membership and couldn’t get in, kept asking for cc after “free” with membership... very disappointing
  • RG
    Richard G.
    29 June 2020 @ 15:02
    Not seen any invitation to register in my emails
  • AJ
    Alvin J.
    28 June 2020 @ 17:13
    I am a paid subscriber to Real Vision. When I attempt to register for the event why do I need to enter my credit card information before I can register if it's free? You have a no refund policy associated with this event so I would like reassurance the event is in fact free for me and that my card won't be charged. Can you clarify for me?
    • AJ
      Alvin J.
      28 June 2020 @ 19:36
      Never mind. I figured it out. Thanks!
    • TB
      Troy B.
      28 June 2020 @ 22:48
      What did you do?
    • IN
      I N.
      29 June 2020 @ 01:58
      Troy, follow the instructions in the email. Click register, select 0 at the top, enter the promo code, click apply, click register, accept terms, click register.
    • TB
      Troy B.
      29 June 2020 @ 07:05
      Yeah didn’t see the reply until after sale ended maybe support can still get me registered.
  • FA
    Faisal A.
    27 June 2020 @ 22:54
    Hello, My biggest issue with Bitcoin is how to value it, and I hope that this would be a part of the discussion as i have not yet listen to anyone who has fully explained this. There is no underlying physical presence/asset behind Bitcoin. If I own gold, I can break it up in small pieces, make attractive gold ornaments, which will be appealing to women for example, and they would be willing to pay a certain amount in order to own one, which derives a value. A device maker, whom uses gold as a material component in its device would also be interested. The price the device maker is willing to pay is a function of the cost of production (total material costs + labor + marketing + admins cost etc.), and that would derive a value. In the case of Bitcoin, there is no no clear driver of value. If Bitcoin transactions for example were completely confidential, then yes, that would create demand and significant price increases; however that is not the case. I can buy Bitcoin today for USD 9,000, and the following day it can drop to US 8,000. That, along with the fact that the cryptocurrencies can have unlimited supply, makes it hard for me to derive proper value for Bitcoin. Appreciate a discussion on valuing Bitcoin during the gathering Thank you
    • JR
      James R.
      29 June 2020 @ 03:27
      An answer to one question is that there will only ever be 21 Million bitcoin, and the final bitcoins will be mined long after we're gone.
    • TZ
      Tibor Z.
      29 June 2020 @ 05:11
      It looks to me as a fear game. When everything collapses or 3rd world countries have hyperinflation, people saving out money through this. Other than that what's the point to hold it? Feels a bit like the greater fool theory!
  • TZ
    Tibor Z.
    29 June 2020 @ 05:06
    OK, excellent! I couldn't register because it's over! Will it be uploaded here?
  • LF
    Liam F.
    26 June 2020 @ 01:34
    Will there be any discussion on the risks of quantum computers and their ability to crack all current encryption protocols? Bye bye bitcoin? What's to stop a nefarious government or even a USG?
    • JN
      John N.
      26 June 2020 @ 05:49
      I was wondering about that as I watched this. Wondering if cryptos use similar process as other encryption like key prime factoring. If so yeah quantum computing may be a big problem to this blockchain and tokens are the future. Maybe a quantum blockchain that uses quantum encryption (entangelment). There could possibly be enough time for that evolution as universal quantum computing developes.
    • LF
      Liam F.
      26 June 2020 @ 18:23
      @john n: Yep. Quantcoin, not shitcoin. ;-)
    • IM
      Ivan M.
      26 June 2020 @ 20:38
      Quantum computer are not really a risk for Bitcoin. To keep it simple : the ecdsa encryption part is vulnerable, but in the process of protecting your fund, there's two round of hash function involve. And just one hash function provide enough protection to quantum computer. hash function involve unstructured problem where quantum computing has not significant advantage. I don't say that there is not consequence at all for Bitcoin, but clearly, they are well known and Bitcoin developement move faster than quantum computing.
    • IN
      I N.
      29 June 2020 @ 01:56
      Excellent question. Quantum computers accelerate Shor's algorithm for factoring into primes, and apparently can be used for breaking elliptic curve encryption, which Bitcoin uses. The interesting question is if a different signing scheme can be used to replace that part in the technology. Will be watching...
  • MT
    Michael T.
    28 June 2020 @ 22:08
    Will the Crypto event be live only, or also recorded for later replay listening? Thanks
  • CW
    Charles W.
    28 June 2020 @ 16:33
    I have downloaded the Bizzabo app for the Crypto Gathering event. Will I be able to stream (watch) the event on my PC screen via my browser or only on the app?
  • PG
    Philippe G.
    26 June 2020 @ 12:49
    I'm certainly looking forward to this series - hoping for practical discussions on the applications of crypto to day-to-day life, use cases, the "plumbing" of it all...rather than lofty price predictions and the hype machine running overtime...
    • PN
      Pedro N.
      28 June 2020 @ 16:28
  • MP
    Mark P.
    27 June 2020 @ 04:59
    If I convert bitcoin to monero and back to bitcoin, do my new bitcoin have a record of ever being converted from monero? I am worried that, say 5 years from now when bitcoin is more integrated into the banking system, there are is a KYL / anti laundering law where any bitcoins that “touched” monero are deemed invalid. For sake of argument, will be more interested in the traceability of monero and not the likelihood of these regulations. Thanks
    • BA
      27 June 2020 @ 07:30
      Depends on where the BTC-XMR was done.
    • MP
      Mark P.
      28 June 2020 @ 05:35
      Can you kindly elaborate on that? Where is it done that can be traceable and where is it done that won't be? Thank you
    • BA
      28 June 2020 @ 15:22
      I regard monero to be practically the most private cryptocurrency. If you deposit it into some centralized exchanges (which have KYC & can give out your trading info when requested by regulators) then if that monero is then converted to BTC then there should be a record. But there are things like decentralized exchanges, atomic swaps, p2p options and so on, with varying privacy, anomymity & costs. Also, when one transfers XMR from one monero address to the another, the transaction & amount is masked & hard to detect.
    • PN
      Pedro N.
      28 June 2020 @ 16:27
  • NF
    N. F.
    28 June 2020 @ 15:11
    There hasn't been much mention of Hashgraph on RV in the last few months. Will Leemon Baird be participating in the Gathering?
  • SP
    Saxon P.
    26 June 2020 @ 05:02
    Will Ripple be given an opportunity to participate at this event? Or will there be an examination of the company and the use case for XRP?
    • DR
      Derrick R.
      27 June 2020 @ 02:33
      Sadly I don’t recognize any current Ripple staff or partner in the speakers list. However, Binance US CEO Catherine Coley is ex-Ripple, and Santiago Velez has written of XRP’s potential vision.
    • SP
      Saxon P.
      28 June 2020 @ 13:47
      Thanks for the response Derrick. I understand Ripple is contenscious to some noting the many thumbs down to my comment. But consider that it's a company staffed with seasoned silicon valley professionals and a serious contender in the blockchain finance space. I would have thought RealVision would want to explore and understand this option even if there are detractors.
  • MW
    Moritz W.
    28 June 2020 @ 08:23
    Long story short: When RVC (RealVisionCoin)? When ICO? When Lambo? ...face...palm! #Bitcoin Fixes This!
  • RB
    Richard B.
    26 June 2020 @ 15:10
    Anyone think its a bit rich that we are being charged for this? Would have thought this was part of the real vision subscription. RV has changed a lot over the years not surprised Grant left.
    • mw
      michael w.
      26 June 2020 @ 16:51
      It is included.
    • ML
      Mark L.
      27 June 2020 @ 19:13
      Check your email for free ticket link.
  • JN
    Jill N.
    27 June 2020 @ 12:03
    The Bitcoin conference starts at 10.00 AM New York time. We are subscribers to RV. As the conference starts at midnight our time is there going to be a recording for members who are unable to watch it live? Barry M
    • ML
      Mark L.
      27 June 2020 @ 19:08
      Jill at around 18:00 remaining Raoul says recordings will be available also because there will be more than one thing happening at the same time.
  • JK
    Jake K.
    25 June 2020 @ 17:01
    Need a module or breakout session on the best / most secure “on ramps” and ways to store BTC. Nassim Taleb’s foreword in Bitcoin Standard emphasizes education on secure ownership is best initial investment in BTC. Really excited to hear different strategies, I know Raoul favors Ledger Nano but would be great to hear specifics and any counterpoints.
    • BA
      27 June 2020 @ 07:34
      Too bad Taleb has parted ways with Saifedean (author of 'Bitcoin Standard') due to a non-crypto-related issue.
  • RO
    Rodrigo O.
    26 June 2020 @ 20:28
    I think the most essential question for me, the one that validates the root of the whole crypto idea, is: Based on the fact governments/CBs are trying to get rid of private banks for many years now, by low/negative rates and flat curves, and are trying to implement their centralized CB coins to take control of the space, what guarantees that they can't simply completely control the crypto clearing system that is being created? What happens if, at the same time, they decide to make holding BTC illegal, as many other decentralized currencies have been banished during the entire history of the modern world? Is the crypto system/community prepared for that? What can be done to guarantee the most important aspect of the crypto space?
    • NR
      Nelson R.
      27 June 2020 @ 02:37
      Shhh, right now they are pumping crypto to the sheep. They don’t want to hear your uncomfortable questions.
  • JA
    Justin A.
    25 June 2020 @ 21:31
    Please have the BTC experts address this topic that Santiago Velez briefly covered in his comment section. The attached video is what Santiago provided and it does a good job of explaining the problem but I still haven't heard an answer that combats the eventual centralization of BTC. Thanks The centralization of the Bitcoin needs to be discussed and addressed before we approach mass adoption, if not we temp fate and the rate of change of the movement. If the main claim to the chain is the SoV narrative, it must do so by precluding a double-spend at all costs. There are several mechanisms at play that change the incentive structures for Proof-of-Work (PoW) miners that have the potential of compromising this narrative. These need to be taken seriously. The best arguments of this "Security Dilemma" are presented in this video:
    • DR
      Derrick R.
      27 June 2020 @ 02:36
      Look into how XRP ledger works. Santiago has written about XRP’s potential.
  • JM
    Jean-Pic M.
    26 June 2020 @ 23:13
    Hello, I'm Pro member but I can't get access to your crypto gathering event. It got me "Please fix your errors before ordering" everytime I try to register with the pro ticket... How to get access to it as a pro member ? Thank you
  • SN
    SAT N.
    25 June 2020 @ 23:07
    Voting on blockchain: Interesting thought. From what I understand, blockchain solves the trust issue. But not privacy. Anonymity is a requirement when it comes to voting - I don't want anyone to know who I voted for. Blockchain distributed ledgers keep track of who did what for ever -- may be there are newer extensions to blockchain that solves the problem. Would like to understand if there are any. EM would be an opportunity when dollar weakens? Did you mean strengthens?
    • VJ
      Victor J.
      26 June 2020 @ 00:30
      There are cryptocurrencies like Monero and Cardano that are built with privacy as the main feature. They mix a transaction you send in with other transactions so it's anonymous.
    • JN
      John N.
      26 June 2020 @ 05:38
      EM is largely inverse to the dollar. Dollar is risk off, EM is risk on. Commodities are tied to EM and inverse to the dollar.
  • OL
    Otto L.
    26 June 2020 @ 01:17
    Did y’all invite anybody from tZero / Medici? I understand that former $OSTK CEO may have been un-interviewable but he disappeared himself so why not give them a voice here / now? Might even get a certain chicken farmer to join in?
  • AT
    Anthony T.
    25 June 2020 @ 17:44
    You guys should check out The concept is mind-blowing
    • SN
      SAT N.
      25 June 2020 @ 23:47
      Napster rehashed with blockchain. Might work this time around.
  • MS
    Michael S.
    25 June 2020 @ 22:03
    You should invite Tone Vays. Tone is a legitimate Bitcoin OG, who comes from Wall St. Tone gave up his banking career to focus 100% on Bitcoin. His "Unconfiscatable Conference" in Las Vegas the last two years is the premier Bitcoin conference, loaded with many of the top Bitcoin personalities, including Bitcoin core developers Johnny Dilley & Peter Todd. I don't see any Dev's on the guest list. This will be a RealVision classic, can't wait until Monday!
  • PS
    Parminder S.
    25 June 2020 @ 21:56
    I havent received an email about this (or the physical gold thing) - how do I opt in if I previously opted out of emails?
  • NM
    Nicholas M.
    25 June 2020 @ 13:34
    BSV vs BTC conversation?
    • CH
      Crag H.
      25 June 2020 @ 17:54
      BSV is a no go technically and is run by a couple of scammers. Avoid avoid avoid.
    • MS
      Michael S.
      25 June 2020 @ 21:46
      There is no conversation on BSV vs BTC. BSV is a totally centralized shit coin, and Craig Steven Wright is the Bernie Madoff of crypto.
  • EP
    Eric P.
    25 June 2020 @ 04:25
    The interview with Bill Tai several weeks ago really transformed my understanding of the potential of blockchain to provide a new “fabric” of value on the internet and transform our world. Excited for the event. Thank you Real Vision for the consistently excellent content.
    • TM
      Troy M.
      25 June 2020 @ 21:23
      Yea, that was a good one.
  • TM
    Troy M.
    25 June 2020 @ 21:23 snglsDAO, for unstoppable media, launches on Monday also. Check it out.
  • RD
    Ryan D.
    25 June 2020 @ 17:28
    If we can’t attend live, am I right to assume it will be recorded for view later?
    • JK
      Jake K.
      25 June 2020 @ 17:34
      Yes, it will be.
  • AB
    Alastair B.
    25 June 2020 @ 16:18
    Can you get someone on from I think their cards, MCO and CRO are the most accessible product out there for getting new people into crypto
  • AB
    Adeel B.
    25 June 2020 @ 14:56
    The more I am watching this, the more I want to sign up:D
  • VH
    Victor H.
    25 June 2020 @ 07:25
    Please bring Bill Tsai to Cryto Gathering. His insights are extremely valuable and also easy to understand. :)
    • AB
      Adeel B.
      25 June 2020 @ 14:51
      Agreed, Bill tai is Goood
  • DB
    Daniel B.
    25 June 2020 @ 11:33
    Do you have to sign up if you're a subscriber or you'll just have access?
  • WD
    Willem D.
    25 June 2020 @ 02:11
    Please make sure you have Charles Hoskinson from Cardano (ADA) as after 5 years of engineering we are now at the stage of the Shelley proof of stake main-net. Cardano has been THE sleeping giant.
    • DB
      Daniel B.
      25 June 2020 @ 11:14
      Funny how this is getting down voted given the current state of Ethereum. There are several serious contenders to Ethereums projected market(s) and or share of those markets and Cardano is certainly one of them. I get the sense that RV and their core audience is more of a BTC Maxi to ETH type of audience.
  • MC
    Marc C.
    25 June 2020 @ 10:29
    This is so incredibly exciting! I am spending a crazy amount of time learning about the crypto space for 4 years now, while loving Real Vision for the min blowing quality content you guys are putting out here for little money to educate people like me about finance. Now both worlds are coming together :-)
  • MH
    Michael H.
    25 June 2020 @ 01:46
    yall should get Joe Rogan to be host/MC lol
    • JK
      Jake K.
      25 June 2020 @ 10:22
      Don’t need Rogan when we’ve got Raoul - Rogan’s got nothing on Raoul’s WFH backdrop
  • BB
    Benjamin B.
    25 June 2020 @ 09:47
    Invest in yourself. Fantastic thought Ash.
  • MB
    Matthew B.
    25 June 2020 @ 07:40
    Raoul, one person you need to get on the show if possible is Jeff Booth. His book is fantastic and so relevant right now. "The price of tomorrow"
    • KP
      Koenraad P.
      25 June 2020 @ 09:41
      He has been on the show, try searching first ;)
  • MK
    Mohit K.
    25 June 2020 @ 04:32
    please add teddy vallee also if possible
  • BR
    Ben R.
    25 June 2020 @ 03:41
    I would love to see @JUN_SYNQA interviewed regarding payments in Asia and what he is seeing!
  • ig
    ian g.
    25 June 2020 @ 02:26
    CANT WAIT FOR THE 2 DAY RCR( REALVISION CRYPTO RAVE ) !! I'm bringing my glow sticks !
  • WD
    Willem D.
    25 June 2020 @ 02:19
    Great to see REALVISION taking this initiative. Please provide a list of speakers along with the time frames
  • AM
    Alexander M.
    25 June 2020 @ 02:15
    Take a front seat and see Tomorrow's World before it gets there.