Packy McCormack publishes the excellent and thought-provoking “Not Boring” newsletter and is a VC investor in the digital asset space. He is also one of Raoul’s favorite people to pick through the madness and enormity of what is happening at the junction of crypto, metaverse, NFTs, DAOs, and social tokens. This is all very future leaning, where the uncertainty of where this is all going is both the fun and the opportunity. Packy is exceptional at helping us make sense of this massive and rapid change in a simple-to-understand way. How the hell are DAOs actually going to work? Are they even going to work at all? Is it good or bad that big brands are ramping up their efforts in NFTs? How are we going to experience the metaverse on a practical level? These are just some of the topics they debate. They also explore how network effects work using concrete examples and what that might mean for the big Layer 1 protocols like Solana, Terra, and Avalanche. There is so much in this interview for everyone to broaden their knowledge and, as ever with Packy, it’s a lot of fun too. Filmed on September 23, 2021.