Dan Held, Growth Lead at Kraken, joins Ash Bennington, Real Vision Senior Editor, to discuss Bitcoin in the early years and the rapid pace of change since. Held describes his own background in traditional finance, the early builder culture, and his own Bitcoin project. Held talks a bit about his position as "Growth Lead" and what this new kind of position actually entails. He explains the divide between "Crypto" and "Bitcoin" and why this divide exists. He concludes the interview by explaining where he thinks Bitcoin is on the adoption timeline. Filmed on October 6, 2020.