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JBThank you for the conversation. I'm concerned with the polymerase chain reaction tests; in particular the cycle settings in US and Europe at 40 and above. It seems the WHO warns these tests are just an aid for diagnosis, but the CDC and FDA say they can used for negative/positive results. I read where Dr. Anthony Fauci stated, “If you perform the test at a cycle threshold of 35 or more, the chances of it being replication-confident are minuscule. You almost never can culture the virus from a 37 threshold cycle… even 36.” Hoping you can shed some light to help me better understand case numbers coming from US and Europe for past 9 months.
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TPThe funny thing about "conspiracy theories" is when they are proven to be true. Remember when people had a "conspiracy theory" that China was lying about no human-to-human transmissible cases? Yeah, that one? They were mocked and ridiculed in early January. Not so funny now, is it?
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TTBest video I have seen on RV for a long time. Could be because I know so little about this subject so felt like learned so much new stuff.
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LSI don't know why there isn't more focus on the IFR being exceedingly low as dominating the conversation that it just isn't all that meaningful of a virus. Why? It isn't, according to the data, as Dr. Stebbing would say. That we have to act like it's a big deal and suffer bureaucratic and government intrusion is super silly - and that's being nice because it's not about people or deaths or policies it's about central powers acting like they care in order for more of their power to be exerted. That's why Dr. Stebbing is somewhat scary in his comments at 40:00, but also gives glimpses of how absurd it all is when he notes that SARS 2004 patients have Ab against SARS Cov2 - fully debunking the garbage assertion that humans wouldn't have immunity, more fear that "it might go away" or that most of us can't fight it off as healthy and cross reactive functions of former coronaviruses. Those should be obvious, default assumptions. I liked the discussion very much I just don't think that the approach to the topic deserves as much seriousness at it gets. We have lots of old people. We have lots of fat people. We have lots of unhealthy and risky people on all manner of levels. Why should we damage our economy far more than this virus ever could have, and we have proven that --- and keep up the charade? That's the real question that we lose in all of the details. I'm not anti-vax but I would ask Dr. Stebbing, why should I as a 30-something with ideal BMI and near perfect health get this vaccine? Why would I, as the same patient, be an asymptomatic carrier, even? There is no DATA to suggest that, at all.
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BPPure BS. Absolute silliness and total garbage. Lots of naivety on this thread too. Keep drinking the pablum.
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JGThought Justin was brilliant. I really enjoyed watching the interview. It's something that is at the forefront of all our minds whether you're into making money or not. I would love to get him back and give us an update especially as things progress in this field as there are still a lot of uncertainties. I thought that James was great but interrupted Justin a bit too much for my liking, otherwise a top video.
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WSNeed to let your guests talk and not interrupt except to keep on track....
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JSMy concern with these vaccines remains the unknowable long term side effects
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WDFantastic to hear a focus on the serious cases of COVID-19 in trial vaccine recipients: ZERO. The media report on infection rate efficacy, which is ultimately misleading. Post vaccine, the virus is a complete non-issue.
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WMGood discussion. Justin came across as a very reasonable and knowledgable professional. One point on the vaccine; it is going to be made mandatory whether you like it or not. I personally have some concerns about the lack of vaccine testing and especially the new RNA vaccines. As a not too serious aside, I am reminded of the doctor played by Emma Thompson in the Richard Matheson inspired movie "I am Legend". She invented the vaccine to cure cancer, but within a few years most of humankind turned into vampire like creatures...... and this is a joke folks before anyone responds negatively.
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DSMr. Stebbing, the real question is what normal will be in April, August, and December? DLS
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BCJames your comment in response to Justin's comment that the anti-vax movement is well organized in which you said "maybe that's Darwin at work". You are one sick MF
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ncIf possible I would be interested in Justin's comments re details within Pfizer's report (page 42) on their vaccine trial that I believe could significantly alter the published efficacy rate. They describe 1500 patients in both the vaccine group and the placebo group (out of 20,000 patients in each group) that presented with symptoms consistent with COVID-19 that tested negative. I am a physician, and during the time of the study a very high percentage of patients with classic COVID-19 symptoms had negative PCR tests, many on multiple tests, and clearly were false negatives. In their report, Pfizer does not describe the cycle threshold used in their PCR testing. Because their efficacy data was based upon a very low number of patients ( 6 positive cases in the vaccine group vs 172 in the placebo group), if only 10-20% of these 1500 patients within each group did in fact have COVID-19 yet were false negative PCR test, and thereby included in the data, it would significantly drop the efficacy of the vaccine closer to that of the flu vaccine. Admittedly, based upon my experience (Vioxx as an example), I am biased with skepticism of how Pharma sometimes presents data in a most favorable light. However, I would love to hear an expert explanation to wipe away my concern for excluding this large number of patients from the data analysis.
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WBBoth Mr. Stebbing and Mr. Rasteh, delivered a brilliant participation in the discussion. Thank You.
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PJNo politicised agenda, little or no pre disposed bias and no conspiracy theories. Makes for the best and most informative discussion on Covid to date. Massive thumbs-up
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SGThis was absolutely brilliant , just so thoughtful and eloquent in connecting with his audience. The interviewer was rather too instructive and long winded,, otherwise brilliant
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DJDamn Pangolins!
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CDThis was a ridiculously good interview. The best information on Covid I have come across. Bravo RV!
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JHAwesome, learned a lot of really interesting information, thank you both.
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JHAwesome, learned a lot of really interesting information, thank you both.
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TSI like it when they bring medical professionals on, it helps prevent things from getting stale around these parts
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JGJustin was fascinating to listen to and I hope we see more of him on RV. While I appreciate James may have been concerned about the interview running 'over time', I feel his interview style would benefit from allowing a guest like Justin to fully explain his thoughts without being cut off or talked over. Overall though, this is excellent content, thank you.
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ILEaster 2021 or 2022?
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MMSimply Brilliant!!!!! Thank you..Thank you...Thank you...
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sSI can not comment on China, I am sorry.
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SSThank you for having Stebbing on. Very nice to hear his thoughts.
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MOBy the way here in the UAE we are getting the Sinopharm vaccine and not the Sinovac one, which according to the Ministry of Health has an efficacy rate of 86%. The UAE is confident that by the start of the summer 70 to 80 percent of the population will be vaccinated.
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CBGreat discussion and a resounding upvote for the mRNA platform. Are there other biotechs besides Moderna leading in this space?
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DOExceptional! SUPERB Cheers!
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sSAs the economy can’t go on like this, as my fund can’t sustain itself like this, as I want to travel again - therefore we will have a positive outcome.
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DLIn general, great interview with little bias i am able to perceive. That being said two things i did not like. So he adheres to data and rational thinking and then smirks and says life isnt logical, somethings just arent explainable etc... what a weird cognitive flipflop. Secondly, stop the ass kissing please, hard to listen to. Also not productive. We already know u appreciate the qualities of the other person, just stop mentioning it, it is off-putting honestly (i.e i have bo clue how u fit that in with ur busy schedule kinda comments) Apart from that, thank you
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JSFascinating discussion and hopeful