For those of you who politicized this interview or feel like your commander and chief is being attacked, sit your asses back in the boat and let me row you back to shore. Dr. Grayson is providing analyzed data based on her expertise. It’s no different than your CIO, your CFO, your COO providing data. Data-driven decision-making is not just a fleeting buzzword. It's become a powerful way for the C-suite to make informed and strategic choices. As Harvard Business Review highlights, "data and algorithms have a tendency to outperform human intuition in a wide variety of circumstances." This interview is not the holly grail on Covid-19, and shouldn’t be viewed as a left or right dissertation. They are data points in terms of risk management that you should consider as you manage your business and portfolio through 2020 and possibly 2021.

One of the best interviews on RV I've ever seen! More of her through the pandemic! We need her realistic, fact based views! This is exactly why I believe there will be another leg down on the SP500! This virus is just started to spread it's wings and therefore the economic consequences will be of epic proportions! As sad as it is and I am also one of the many sitting back home, jobless still it is good to know what I am facing with so I can focus on my study what I started right today as I had the inner feeling that this pandemic is going to last long. She was painfully honest about the Trump administrations failure and she is a 100% right. I watched Trump's comments about this in February and I thought there will be a total chaos. I am a European so I can observe it more clearly than those 300 dislikers, I believe! No offense. Peace.

Really sad that you used the pandemic to provide a platform for this "opportunist" to spew political positioning statements. I tuned in to learn something but unfortunately left with less respect for RV.

Produce and test at the same time: we know this as a long convexity / long volatility trade in finance. Makes perfect sense, and billions in "premiums" is indeed not much.

Interesting interview, however she grades the current administration’s advisors response an F, when there were renown doctors like, Chief of Infectious Disease, U of PA Med Center, who also serves on the board of advisors to CDC, and who in early March was publicly on record convincingly touting that CoVID 19 was no more an issue than any other flu. And that he suspects ~75,000 deaths would be consistent with his projections. Perhaps he could join Pedro in the next interview?

I find it very interesting how some of "the critical facts" seem to have changed since this interview! And the original "models" (GIGO)? How about blaming the CCP?.

Excellent interview. I found Dr. Garyson's comments to be factual. For some bizarre reason, science has been politicized (global warming, COVID-19, etc.). As a medical school professor and scientific researcher, please try to put politics aside and focus on the evidence when evaluating these topics. When someone is for or against quarantines, let's all examine the facts and repercussions instead of jumping to polarized conclusions on the basis of political tribalism. Use your brain and come to your own conclusion, not one dictated by a political party. Further, recognize that some people have been researching topics such as viral pandemics for decades and it may be a good idea to listen to what they have to say. Equally outlandish is the idea that Fauci's views are equally or less insightful than Trump's on COVID-19, which I've heard espoused recently by some. Trump may have some knowledge about NY real estate, but he clearly has no idea what he's talking about with regard to SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, epidemiology, virology, pulmonary medicine, immunology, etc. Fauci has a stellar reputation in the field and accumulated wisdom and knowledge from decades of hard work. He has jointly developed cures for diseases and has exceptional knowledge in virology, immunology, and medicine. Fauci is also a humble individual--he's turned down the NIH director position (Fauci's NIAID director) on multiple occasions.

Should RV steer clear of any guests who express personal/political comments. That would mean no Steve Bannon interview. I am no Bannon or Trump fan but I learned so much from that interview not the least of which was that I actually shared a few of his, and Trumps, Republican platform beliefs. What a shock that was to me and what a loss it would have been for me to disregard the interview. There is a need for us all to stop acting so "fragile".

This is honestly really disappointing that Realvision selected this fraud of a host to speak. Her material is straight out of the textbook of every corrupt Democrat in this fallen nation. She sounds like a pathetic CNN reporter who simply takes the opposite side of Trump. And how can you possibly deny the beneficial effects of hydroxychloroquine by now!!!? Realvision, perhaps you should interview Greta Thunberg next. I won't be renewing my subscription this year.

A medical doctor, politician, and democrat when the current president is a republican in an election year. Come on, we are not all fools.

Covid19 pretty much follow the script for systemic inflammatory response syndrome (SIRS), sepsis and multi organ dysfunction where swelling and hyperactive blood clotting response play havoc on every single system in the Democrat, Republican or otherwise affiliated body. True, these syndromes also result from infections such as influenza and probably most commonly from untreated urinary tract infections. Although most severe case patients are older and suffer pre-existing health conditions which may or may not be lifestyle related, lots of them are young and healthy too... Many people poo poo Covid19 believing it isn't terribly different from plain old influenza. There is one interesting group of people however who universally believe otherwise: the ICU physicians, nurses and therapists actually caring for the sickest strata of Covid19 patients. Experienced long term career practitioners will tell you, Covid19 is a different animal. The take away from a Macro/Investing/Crypto Currency/Trading perspective (which is why we're all here isn't it?) is this show ain't over yet, by far. The S&P may price in an imminent V shaped recovery, Covid19 has other plans. Good luck to all. DCS

Real Vision, please, I don't pay you for politics but macro market insight. She's a Dr. Fauchi fan. Anyone who takes the time to look into his involvement in development of bioweapon systems over his career will understand that he is part of the problem and not the solution. Please stop with this guests who are politically motivated.

Great interview. It confirms the view that we are in a new normal for a long time and the old normal is really far away still. Definitely influences investment thought.

I love this inverview guest. She's so frank and forthright and clearly knows her science. Once we applauded people for speaking truth to power, but these days it's just as important (and rare) to find people who will unapologetically speak truth to ignorance. Well done. I hope you do have her back on in the Fall.

Despite her bonifides, she's obviously a flaming liberal Trump-hater--her bias is palpable. (Even intelligent people can suffer from hate amblyopia). Because of the extreme contagion the number of INFECTIONS (based upon serological testing for humeral immunity) is MUCH greater than the number of REPORTED CASES--when that data is extrapolated it indicates that the morality is LESS THAN 1 per cent--which IS on a par with influenza. Moreover, the data show that the main risk is for older people and those with pre-existing conditions, notwithstanding her emotional anecdotal citing of a 30 year old death. IT'S THE PER CENT OF DEATHS, NOT A HANDFUL OF EMOTIONAL ANECDOTES THAT WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO. Also, she admits that COVID is apparently not demonstrating a high proclivity for mutation; this, together with it's extremely low mortality makes a case for unlocking the areas of the country that are NOT HOT SPOTS, and allowing this highly contagious (R0 = 3) but minimally fatal virus to infect and stimulate "active" immunity during the spontaneous recovery of millions, and thus attain herd immunity SOONER (because a vaccine is no certainty by her own admission). Finally, she's obviously clueless about the MASSIVE socio-economic damage that is being inflicted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg&list=WL&index=20&t=667s That she esteems The WHO after what they did (lied to the world) is amazing. coda: If Trump wins in November, she may need a shrink.

Melatonin seems helpful! It is scientifically proven that helps lowering the virus count and lowers lung inflammation alongside the cytokine storm. It results in a lower death count!

While very appreciative of her credentials and RV bringing her in the room, this was 90% fluff. If you looked at the transcript version of this, it shows at least 5 pages of answers between each question. An indication of too many words, not enough substance. That's the theme. Lacking clear and concise answers, repeats mainstream narratives from science community, and not a great use of head space.

Is she behind on the pathology of COVID-19? There are reports and increasingly more autopsy reports exposing the SARS-COV2 develops into more than a respiratory virus. There are reports recommending to avoid invasive intubation if at all possible due to the pathology. "Experts" need to be ahead of the public information not behind. https://whyy.org/articles/treating-blood-clots-kidney-injuries-and-other-problems-linked-to-covid-19-could-save-lives/ https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes https://time.com/5827912/coronavirus-skin-rashes/ https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/coronavirus-related-inflammatory-syndrome-emerges-among-uk-children-report/

This was a rant a la CNN, not informative, and emotion-provoking. I watch Real Vision precisely because it hasn't presented this type of content historically. Perhaps the virus has placed limitations on the type of content that can be produced, and this kind of thing won't come across the feed again. Thanks.

This should have been a CNN interview....not RV. She is a mainstream media talking head. Sad.

Dear Real Vision, I believe Pedro needs to be placed in "time-out". As the interviewer, he did not manage the conversation. Whether Real Vision subscribers are for/against Trump, we are all smart enough not to drink bleach. Pedro should have interrupted and reminded the doctor she isn't on cable TV and that RV viewers are keenly interested in her insights of the virus.

OK RV, I hope you've read the comments. The message is clear: don't ever allow a guest to show her disapproval from Trump. I'll say all manner of really nasty things about you if you do.

All the silly people crying about this interview being too political... She's an actual expert in this field. WTF. Excellent guest. Pedro does a fine job. Thanks too both of you.

I thought this interview was awesome. But what surprised me was the reactions from the viewers. The Comments were wildly varied; from the worst.... to the best interviews they've seen on RT. And, thinking about that....that's why I subscribed to RV. I firmly believe that RT delivered value here. Thank you RV for sourcing and delivering content that makes us think, reflect, comment and hopefully, take action in our real lives. And thank you RT viewers for confirming that you make RT the better media choice.

Too political. I like RV because they mostly leave politics out of the conversation. Her language is trying to provoke an emotional response. If i want that i can watch mainstream media.

One of the worst interview I have seen in RV. Politically bias, I had the impression of watching political propaganda instead of informational material

Sorry to say, but I had to turn this one off well before it was over.

Politically tainted BS. Waste of time and degrades Real Vision.

Dr. Greyson is the prototype of the "agreeable expert" that physicist Eric Weinstein (managing director of Thiel Capital) likely was thinking about when he coined the term the "Intellectual Dark Web." She is beyond right or wrong. She is compromised and would not even be able to come up with a conceptual framework to understand how that could happen. The video is a must watch: https://youtu.be/TKeMIWVOnbo?list=PLW0KoKVR_r1c42kYJytaVBdNxyC0yYr8F Pedro: if you want to do some real journalism, get that guy on.

This is all starting to make sense to me now. The "Essential- $239" service gets the lousy interviews and if you want the better content, you have to upgrade to "Plus-$599" or "Pro-$3499". Very clever RV.

I'm an Australian and I can vouch for Dr Grayson's assessment of our situation here. We have had no new cases of infection in my state for 15 days now. We were in heavy lockdown and now after 2 weeks of no new cases are starting to open up again.

If we end the lockdown, a million people die. If we don't end the lockdown a million will die. Funny thing, if people don't get food, they die. Each side, the doctors and the economists, neither side recognize how bad it is either way.

Have Chris Martenson from Peak Prosperity on.

This is probably the worst interview I have seen on RVT since it started years. I think in the current environment this video was a huge mistake. I do NOT disagree with much of what the doctor said, it was the way she said it and Pedro came across as egging her on in a couple of areas. I strong believe RVT should steer away from these political discussion lest the comments start to become like the general media. A lot of Pedro's interviews are getting significant negative votes from the RV crowd, but I feel Pedro did not do a good job on this one for sure. Just my 5 cents worth.

This is a financial website, but i just could not finish the video. Its ok if she has a bias... but in here at RV I would expect a more detached and objective analysis of the facts. In here we all know that the lock downs could be worse than the virus itself, we see the geopolitical aspects of the pandemic, the corporate interests, etc. Wasn't the Trump administration heavily criticized for the travel ban on China and the flights cancellation from Europe? Wasn't the media saying for months that this is just the flu? Wasn't the WHO pushing Chinese fake news for two months? hell they didn't even wanted to call this a pandemic for the longest of times. This is a fast moving situation and the government officials act on the information they have from "reputable" channels... and have to balance the health problems with the economic implications. This so called expert does a poor job at both. It sounds more like a rant, it would be better to have someone like Chris Martenson from peakprosperity that has followed the pandemic from the very beginning.

As a Physician, she lost all credibility when she stated that face masks don‘t help you from contracting coronavirus. Same ridiculous thing the CDC said for a while. This is infection control 101 for respiratory illnesses. Did she wear a face mask In medical school when she walked into the TB patient’s room? Of course she did. We have bureaucrats and PHD’s running our health care system instead of real, practicing Physicians.

I think Neil Ferguson's 2MM deaths should be taken as seriously as his social distancing efforts....

Pedro, first off, I've been critical of some of your interviews but you did a good job here. Dr. Grayson made known just how bombastic and political she is without enough prompting but you asked her appropriate questions. A few things, and if you notice you'll see this over and over again with the so-called experts who can't seem to understand (I wonder why) the very basics or implications of even what they are saying. At 16:00 she says most people have no symptoms. That is the truth about this virus, 99% don't have symptoms. You can end the discussion right there if you want, truly. But let's go further. "I think we should have the billionaires go out there on the front lines." Umm, Dr. Grayson, if you haven't been paying attention, we all want to go outside and have a normal life and WE AREN'T worried at all about it. Your political operatives are doing their best to stop this from happening. We have flattened the curve. There is no hospital stress (USS Comfort? Chicago? California? Bueller?) We don't need time, 99% of us don't have any problems with this! Herd immunity by keeping school children and youth, the LEAST susceptible to this virus (saying a lot) is co-opted, and for more political reasons. Every study has shown the IFR of this is equal to the seasonal flu, she produces no evidence that is not, the R3 number she gives is an outright lie, only in the worst NYC situation is that even remotely possible and the rest of the country is not anywhere near that nor will it ever be for thousands of reasons --- and lastly, the vaccine. Vaccines are a joke for everyone not dramatically susceptible to this due to age and bad health issues. It's at best 50-60% effective EVERY year, it actually doesn't even matter, no not one bit, if you get the vaccine, since it's so ineffective anyway. I highly recommend anyone who is healthy not bothering, and yes, I'm a doctor. But Ms. Grayson and Fauci and Birx will not have as deep of pockets if you don't, so there's that ...

Kudo's for bring this straight shooting doc on. After all, its mostly dependent on the healthcare outcomes & not us financial types. Bring her back in a month for follow up :)

She is a clown, most of virologists and some doctors know that whole pandemic is fake

Brilliant doctor. I am a physician myself. What she said was right. I am sad to see that almost half of Real Vision subscribers gave her a thumbs down, Why? I really would like someone who gave her a thumbs down to explain the logical inconsistency in her argument. She obvious revealed her left leaning political opinions. But why should that matter? Does science change? Are we judging everything through a political lens? In markets (global macro is my obsession) I seek the opinion of people who disagree with me. I am doing the same here. Will someone who gave her a thumbs down explain why they think she is wrong? Thx.

It is apparent from the political comments that the US will have a most difficult time dealing with the pandemic. Most people just want the left or right non-medical people to be correct. I do not listen to my doctor on political issues, I certainly do not listen to a lot of entertainment folks on “news” TV to make medical decisions. Democracies die from neglect. Representative democracies also die from neglect. Where is the ventilator? DLS

This video made me think of the quote from Fitzgerald, "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." I used to follow the good Dr on Twitter, but her constant political commentary was more than I wanted to deal with. On the other hand, she clearly knows what she's talking about with regard to medical matters, and I learned some helpful information from the video.

If you want to listen to non political,but to science go to Professor Knut Wittkowski https://youtu.be/k0Q4naYOYDw

I don't understand why she doesn't say that it's a deadly virus for older people and people with other conditions... Sorry, but it's not because she's a doctor that she doesn't have a political agenda! Whar about the comparaison with the flu?? It kills a WIDER range of people but we don't lockdown the world for it...

Tedious.

Outstanding interview and very valuable for me.

I've read the comments, including my own not very insightful one. Whether you agree with her or not, she was a good guest. As the RV audience, myself included, we should be more gracious or people will not want to bother. Someone compared a lot of the comments to ZeroHedge. As much fun as it is to read ZH - it ain't RealVision.

Fear is more powerful than truth...

Sorry but until the US recognizes that it possess 3rd world problems, it will never adequately deal with this or any other pandemic. What do I mean? Hot spots (areas surrounding Detroit, New Orleans, etc.) consistently have a common theme, no running water. Basic hygiene like frequent hand-washing is not plausible if there is no running water in the home. Yet millions in the US are without this basic necessity. Wake up US. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/01/water-shutoffs-us-coronavirus-utilities-economy

Sorry but this video does not educate viewer. She is regurgitating the same thing MSM is telling. See here for some truth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4x0IsdOkU4

Not sure I agree that it will come back worse than the first wave. That means that we as humans can’t learn, can’t adjust, can’t listen to adjust our habits. I disagree. Things are different than the Spanish flu. We have much better communication and are more fluid. Wholeheartedly disagree.

I really hope RV doesn’t turn into a political stream, otherwise I’m taking my rather pricey Pro membership and exiting. Pleas get back to the really awesome videos you make. I recall what I call your golden age when I listening to you back in Jan and early Fed, that was some solid macros, and what got me out ahead of the sell off. I’m not here for politics, I’m sickened by our discourse today...

Great interview and good to hear a real expert on virology for once. Yes let's listen to the doctors who actually know what they are talking about with regards to opening up. Everyone you speak to now is an expert on virology and you'll find they don't even have a basic science degree on the subject, the fact is they don't really know what they are talking about. It was interesting Raoul Pal who is now an expert on the virus just wrote an article in zero hedge and was saying "The first step is to end the lockdown and let businesses reopen and people go back to work". Why aren't the people who have spent their lives studying virology not saying that? We need to get business open again but the most important thing is life is ones health. If you've ever lived with a life threatening illness then you would now that the only thing that is important to you is getting healthy again, money means nothing to you when you're really sick.

Scare tactics, blame Trump, Venezuela doing a good job, etc, etc....this is a joke.

Hate the politics on this interview. At a minimum that should have been disclosed as it's pertinent to the discussion. Lots of players with agendas on all sides.

Before watching this interview I read through the comment stream, noting strong emotions expressed by some. This led me to think back to two concepts which have affected the way I consume other people's views. The first was expressed in Roger McNamee's book Zuck'd, in which he describes how social media creates 'filter bias' by showing the reader more of the type of content they choose to consume, thereby creating a bubble. This may evolve into a 'preference bias', where the person self censors information to consume only the sort they agree with. I try hard to control such bias in my own thinking by explicitly seeking out and valuing views which do not align with my own. The second is the 'silent witness' bias, as described in Nasim Taleb's book Fooled By Randomness. The thought is that the human mind isn't tuned to fully appreciate prevention versus acts of heroism after an event. An intelligence analyst who hypothetically could have prevented a terrorist attack, for example, would likely be forgotten by history. In that context, - Thank you Pedro for conducting a good interview. I look to the interviewer to make the subject feel comfortable, ask provocative questions, listen without interrupting, and certainly avoid censoring their subject's views. You did this well. - I hear and respect those in the comment stream who assert that Covid-19 is no worse than the flu, and therefore no lock downs are justifiable. I have just one question, which no one has been able to answer to my satisfaction yet. Why would China's leaders, who arguably value economic growth, stability, and political dominance over all else, shut down large swaths of their economy for a virus no more harmful than the common flu? To me this is strong evidence that Covid-19 is serious, and I haven't heard a serious rebuttal yet. - Taking into account, then, that Covid-19 is actually a serious public health issue, the central point is that there is no good answer here. Allowing the virus to spread unchecked may/would result in a meaningful public health crisis. Locking down the country implies severe economic and civil liberty ramifications. Neither approach is without pain, so the binary approach advocated by some on either side of the argument seems fatuous. - I appreciate that Dr. Grayson has strong views about the effectiveness of our political leadership as well as about the virus. I feel that it's important to listen carefully to people with strong views, especially when they don't match my own. For example I also value Kyle Bass, whose political views are in some ways opposite to Dr. Grayson's. Nice job. Once I think beyond a surface level, I see the value in this interview.

Sucks

I am sure a very intelligent Dr. but generally lacking in wisdom. Given the size and complexity of our economy, just shutting everything down immediately is unrealistic. This is not a partisan issue. The political grandstanding was highly disappointing and unfortunately diminished credibility.

Simply the worst ever video on real vision. Score one for diversity of opinion but you lost me on this one. I worked in healthcare for over a decade. No, doctors are not all experts.

I come here for ideas not politics. If I want to engage in the trench warfare of today’s slug fest politics, I’d go to the networks. There are ways to interview these experts and reduce the bias. This video was of putting, didn’t complete. Let’s get back to the macro here, and leave politics out.

It is a pandemic of fear, first and foremost.. right after the terrorists, the Russians, Saddam, one fvcking scam after another.... The guys running the system are either idiotic or evil geniuses installing a global dictatorship by killing the middle class and enslaving the people.

How do such intelligent people cut loose with something so stupid as "It's the billionaires who want everybody to go back to work" before it's safe. I believe the billionaires can stay at home forever - why would they be in a hurry to go back and get sick? - while the worker bees with kids and no savings have no choice. She knows that. Forgive me.

Really curious as to why aren’t more people die of COVID-19 in India? This is in relation to the doctor’s comment on how she is afraid for the worst for people in South America and Africa for the lack of sophisticated medical infrastructure and even lack of basic hygiene infrastructure like access to clean water and sanitation. Genuinely curious.

She might be brilliant and have some good stuff to share. I couldn't get to it due to the evident nature of her political leanings...thanks you for your time.

I'm sorry, but couldn't get through this. I agree she knows the epidemiology and has some good information, but it's covered in too much political vitriol. There are plenty of same level epidemiological experts I can go listen to without a political bias. That's exactly what I'm going to do.

People dumb enough to assume he wants them to inject disinfectant were doomed before the virus was ever heard of.

"The beliefs which we have most warrant for have no safeguard to rest on, but a standing invitation to the whole world to prove them unfounded." - J.S. Mill, On Liberty I understand and appreciate the importance of presenting opposing viewpoints. While having our beliefs challenged isn't easy, testing them is essential for us to find the truth. When wrong, we are given the opportunity to refine those beliefs. And when right, our beliefs are strengthened as well as our confidence in them. However, please do more to respectfully challenge the comments and assumptions of the guests. Sometimes this guest made statements or criticisms of others and their positions without providing any support for her comments. Additionally, I believe that I saw a couple of questions related to this, but please include more that represent other sides' challenges of the guest's positions. Examples for this interview might have been: - The guest supports the lock-downs, so "What authority do the governments (federal, state, and local) have to do what they are doing?" Maybe some state constitutions provide governors with this power, but what authority does the federal government have to do it? - "What cost/benefit analysis have you done to show that the lock-downs are the best option? Considering reports of increases in mental health issues, suicides, and domestic violence along with possible declines in physical and economic health to people in general, how do we know that this 'cure' is not worse than the virus?" - The guest says that the point of the lock-downs is to gain time. She says that we may never get a vaccine. "How long should the lock-down be in place? Given the problems that the lock-down is creating as well as the lack of savings in this country, how do we all last until then?" - The assumption seems to be that either there is a total lock-down imposed by governments or everything is open like before the virus. Therefore, "Why does lifting the governments' lock-downs have to equate to things going back to the way things were before? Why can't people make their own choices about how to deal with the virus and what risks they are comfortable taking? Some people and businesses would stay inside or closed while others would go outside or open up. Why can't they take responsibility for their own actions, do their own cost/benefit analysis, and make that decision on their own?" For the viewers to get more from this, please let us see the positions of the different sides getting tested. As it was, I don't feel that we are any better off after watching it. For those who support her position, they leave feeling good because their side was presented in a good light. For those who disagree, they just get upset because she was able to "attack" their position and values without any resistance. And while she did present a few facts, they weren't anything that I hadn't already heard before.

So the facts are: Fauci used US tax $$$ to fund the Wuhan bio-lab to do 'gain in function' experiments on bat corona virus to make it transmissible to humans - Real Vision should report on that! - they succeeded - Real Vision should report on that! - it got loose - Real Vision should report on that! - and Fauci is not charged with 'crimes against humanity' - WOW - Funny old world! And the story gets buried along with the millions of dead. Real Vision should report on that! Too controversial???

What I find discouraging is the lack of real insight and thoughtful questions. Case in point: Dr. Grayson gives Trump an 'F' in part because of lack of testing. The far more important question is why did the US not have testing? We still do not have enough tests, why? Companies that have tests can't supply them in large enough quantities because they can't acquire enough of the reagent, why? Dr. Grayson lambasts Trump for discounting the effect initially. She suggests that if the administration had not been so incompetent, we could have shut down earlier and saved lives. The appropriate follow up question would be that the decision to lock down a State rests with the governor of that State and yet all 50 of them failed. Why did that happen? Sweden didn't lock down at all, why hasn't everyone in Sweden died? Finally, Dr. Grayson suggests that we may never get a vaccine therefore we need to acquire herd immunity. In order to acquire herd immunity, some 80% of the population needs to get infected. How do we manage to acquire herd immunity if we are constantly locked down in our homes? I am far more interested in understanding the answers to these types of questions.

Great medical information delivered with a clear political agenda -- not sure that's the most effective way to present this material...?

Just the way her voice inflected the name Trump, tells one all you really need to know. First and foremost she is a political operative. Knowing who her husband is tells one this. Her professional knowledge is simply going to be used to back the political agendas she has. Approached it with an open mind, but ended up being a waste of my time.

Doesn't have a medical license and has not practiced medicine in 20 years. Wife of Alan Grayson. THE Alan Grayson. A bitter partisan. RV did no vetting.

Too much animosity in her voice to believe she is speaking w/o bias. She says the virus is killing perfectly healthy people in their 30s. Where is that proof. In Texas the total as of this morning for 30-39 demographic is 9 in 1900, or less than 1/2 of 1%. She offers no solution and claims if we would have shut down economy sooner...longer we would have saved more lives. At what cost? The great depression caused much suffering and death. No solutions offered that we haven't heard elsewhere.

This lady knows here stuff. Forget her politics, who cares. Excellent interview.

Again, see my points below --- if there are so many asymptomatic people, by definition it's not that significant of a virus in terms of lethality in particular. It's funny how this is lost on so many basic people, and why this fear mongering is more about psychology and control than actual science. 99% of people confronted with this virus do not have significant symptoms. End of story. The shutdown was a farce. India must have a better health care system than the US! Haha. The truth is, we've been keeping people alive here who are really unhealthy, for years. As they always say, something's gotta give. More loss of liberty on account of the few, who hold the rest hostage --- and the big government that eats that up all day long.

Doctors are to be trusted about as much as Lawyer..They are all in the pockets of Big Pharma, and the ONLY ones to be trusted are Surgeon's, the rest are scum!

Dena may understand medicine in great fashion, not arguing this fact. The virus might kill 1 million people around the world, I feel very comfortable in saying that the lock down will at least kill 10 million. So the best action to save the most amount of lives would have been to lock down exactly 0 days, 0 hours and 0 minutes. With all due respect scientists lack of respect for economics is astonishing, they just think stuff exists and we can solve lack of productivity with more money. Lebanon, Iran and Angola are on the brink of civil war, how many people will die there? How many countries cant survive with 15 USD oil prices? How many people depend on their work to eat? Unfortunately we in the west have completely lost touch with reality.

Straight from DNC central casting. I agree with Mike B. Belongs on CNN, not RV.

Please, let's not turn this into who agrees with whose politics. People have different views and that is fine. We should all learn from each other, regardless if it agrees with your own views. Demising people because you don't think they agree with your own stance closes you out to broader information. The RV balance is allowing different views - we can have Bannon and Farage and we can have people from the lot too. All are equally welcome to learn from, as that is why we are all here. Please, don't let you politics spill into the comments.

Wow I think this is the most comments I've seen on a video here. This video was good for sure, unfortunately not a lot of terribly new information for me. It's sad that something on mainstream channels has not brought everything together like this. One of the key pieces of the puzzle missing to me is Remdesivir. She is talking like this is something that should be administered early, but from what I understand it has shown some very severe side effects in the past and not something you want if you don't truly need it. Is this drug actually viable outside of severe cases when there is even enough of it produced? As far as the "bias" goes -- sure, she is more on the liberal side. So? I don't understand why people willingly tune out information based on political leaning. Everything she said was true, albeit it does discount factors outside the strictly health realm. Even Trump has openly said it in his press conferences although in not the most elegant way -- there was one case when they banned travel. Even if he thought it was going to be that bad (which certainly seems doubtful with the rally he held) what is he really supposed to do at that point anyway? Media would portray him as "the mad germophobe", the lockdown would be delegitimized, and the advice of the federal government ignored. It wasn't just America and spring breakers, France, Mexico... there were plenty of other countries that still held large gatherings. People are spoiled and simply do not accept that bad things can actually happen until they do.

About 68% of likely voters in six key 2020 swing states said they have “somewhat” or “very” serious concerns about Covid-19, a new CNBC/Change Research poll found. The share dipped from 76% in mid-April. Fears among Republicans dwindled, while Democratic worries stayed about the same. Only 39% of likely GOP voters responded that they have “somewhat” or “very” serious concerns, a slide from 55% when the States of Play survey was last taken on April 17 and 18. About 7 in 10 Republicans said the effects of the pandemic are getting better rather than worse. Only 12% of Democratic respondents said the same. Does this also explain all the negative votes for this excellent video? No...RV viewers are really smart and objective and understand science and facts, don't they? While she does give Trump an F for his tardy and inadequate response to the pandemic, she does praise his current efforts to speed up vaccine development. Personally I wouldn't grade any leader yet....they'd all get I's --- for incomplete ... because the pandemic isn't over yet. While I worry about the potential next waves of the virus, I worry more about how broken the US is by our partisan divide. I never thought I'd long for the days of Reagan and Tip O'Neal, but I do. We've got to find common ground or this country will lose to the Chinese and others over time...It's up to all of us to get out of our partisan bunkers and unite. Otherwise we'll have a depression and a revolution and we'll be lucky if we get another FDR to help us out of the abyss.

I was looking forward to this interview, but after watching it, I was very disappointed. Her political views/bias slanted the conversation and made it hard to watch. Early in the interview, you asked her about the economic consequences of the lockdown, not only did she not answer the question, she went on with her views of Trump and his advisors. She suggested that Dr.Birx was an apologist for Trump while in the same breath gave Dr. Fauci praise even though she pointed our his comment about "nothing to worry about." while she claims to have been ringing the fire alarm in January. She then goes on to mention three drugs, one I had never heard about (Galidesivir) until this interview but seems to be a pet project of hers. You might have asked her to comment on Hydroxychloroquine and the Democratic Rep from Michigan, who claims it saved her life. She does not even address the controversial results of Remdesivir, which seems to speed up the recovery time from 15 to 11 days vs the placebo group. This interview is something you would expect from CNN, not RV.

It’s a flu!

I felt as though I had just turned on CNN and was watching a CNN virus special report laced with not so subtle Trump basing throughout. This discredited the entire message whether there was any truth in it or not. Really a waste of time.

I think its extremely refreshing and more importantly, useful to have non-market based guests on RV from time to time, especially when they have expertise in a relevant discipline - and you don't get much more relevant at the moment than virology. Its important to resist our cognitive biases when the politics potentially don't align with our own. As most of us are members of the financial industry we know ourselves what its like to be pigeon-holed as the stereotypical w*anker bankers etc...

The wife of the infamous Alan Grayson. Enough said.

Outstanding. Lots of great infomation. Thank you

She's worried for Africa because they don't have soup, when it's a disease that disproportionally kills old people with 95+% of a deaths being for people 50 years or older. The median age in Africa is 19.7 years. Two PHDs is no replacement for a basic education.

I find myself disappointed in both RV and RV commenters wrt this interview. Dr. Grayson, who clearly possesses expert medical knowledge, is simultaneously deeply political. I did gain some valuable (medical) information watching this video, but at a cost of wading through the political nonsense. This was a "bad get" for RV. I think an expert of equal medical credibility could have been sourced and the ensuing political cat fight on this thread could and should have been avoided. That kind of deeply thoughtful DNA is something I expect from my RV Pro subscription and its absence in selecting this commentator calls into question my trust in the platform. The same applies to many, if not most of the comments posted about this interview. I typically read most of the comments for each video with the explicit purpose of gaining additional insights from erudite members of this platform. The RV promise, I thought, was not just highly curated, clear-eyed, and quality analysis, but an accompanying community that was equal to that quality. This thread leads me to suspect that may not be the case. If one cannot countenance another person's views, analysis, and conclusions then why subscribe to this service? I agree with other posters that the medical expertise does not necessarily translate into policy expertise and certainly not financial expertise, but I am willing to give Dr. Grayson some slack on that point, as her 2 Ph.D's are not in finance. My feedback to Pedro there is to work harder to focus the interviewee back onto topics that we can learn from and invest with. Political viewpoints do neither.

Also one needs to scroll back a couple years. Lets move all production of EVERYTHING to china because we can earn more. This is a question of production of test, protective gear for front line workers. We are now ALL paying for the globalist agenda. Dr Fauci has some explaining to do for writting checks to the wuhan lab for development of corona viruses and the patents in some spike proteins.

I am tired of the political bias in the main stream media. RV with its unbiased interviews has always been an exception. There is a lot of political bias in this interview. I am not too concerned about how Dr.Fauci or Dr.Brix operate in front of Trump; or the disinfectant narrative; since they do not contribute anything to how I should prepare from a safety/health/economic/investments perspective for the coming second wave. The comment about "Billionaires should be in the front" is sheer economic ignorance. Having said that I think this is a pretty good interview over all and we should give credit to the guest for trying to help us understand the medical side of things. I now know that having a vaccine ready within an year is a hopeful thought and that we should be prepared for the second wave.

Did not expect this from real vision. I can watch CNN or Fox News if I want to hear someone preach to me from their ideological high horse.

Good video, but these are like fucking ZeroHedge level comments...

Terrible political bias!

Thank God DeSantis won the election. Heaven help us from the likes of government under her. The Scariest words in the english language "Im fromt the government and I'm here to help!"

not one of your better interviews, pass on the politics and the blame game. Focus on helping us help our clients

I read through all the comments before listening to this interview. The real shortcoming that I see in Dr. Grayson's perspective is what Bastiat described as the "seen" and the "unseen". The "seen" are the obvious first-order effects - in this case, that the virus is very contagious and can overwhelm medical systems if we don't take precautions - while the "unseen" has to do with the catastrophic effects that have been inflicted on the economy by the total shutdown. With some careful consultation, might we have implemented restrictions that would have gotten us 90% of the benefits of a total shutdown, but with only 10-20% of the economic impact that we have suffered? I can't say for sure, but I am certain we could have done better than we have done. In any case, I am glad to see different restrictions being tried in different places so that we can get a better idea of what works. In any case, people are going to die. If we have to rely on herd immunity, then most people are eventually going to catch it, and a fraction will die, even with the best care we can provide. Our goal, at least as I see it, is to keep the number of people needing hospital care below the number that we can treat, NOT to totally stop the progress of the disease. She also talks about testing, which I agree is important, but what about evaluating those who appear to be infected with the virus, but who develop only mild symptoms, or no symptoms at all. Reportedly, this is a large fraction of the total population. What do they have in common, and can we learn to predict with moderately high confidence who will fall into that category? If so, we should encourage this group to get exposed and develop immunity while those who would likely develop more serious complications remain in lockdown. Once this group is no longer likely to catch it and spread it, the rate of spread among those who are more vulnerable will be much slower. Meanwhile, they could keep a lot of economic activity going. She also talked about South America, and particularly Ecuador, and how badly it has been hit in its "winter" season. I live in Ecuador, and we don't HAVE a winter season. We are on the equator (which is what Ecuador means in Spanish), and the massive infections and deaths in Guayaquil happened in temperatures in the 30s (Celsius, or 90s in Fahrenheit), with plenty of humidity. I would not expect summer weather in the US to bring much respite. Over all, I don't think the so-called experts have demonstrated that they are worthy of much respect, and sadly, I include Dr. Grayson in this conclusion. "An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less, until she knows everything about nothing."

Test, test, test, test, test, test, test. This should be done by every country. This was known very early on. I haven't been tested, never asked. This is the failure in my opinion.