From Mentor to Activist: Facebook Through the Eyes of Roger McNamee

Featuring Roger McNamee, Brian Price

Roger McNamee, who manages private equity firm Elevation Partners with U2’s Bono and other investors, was an earlier mentor to Mark Zuckerberg and one of Facebook’s earliest investors. But now he is one of the platform’s most poignant critics. In this interview with Real Vision’s Brian Price, McNamee shares intimate stories from the early days of Facebook. He also discusses issues of privacy and addiction, and makes the call for social media titans like Facebook, Google and Twitter to be regulated. Filmed on April 5, 2018 in Menlo Park, California.

Published on
13 April, 2018
Topic
Psychology, Politics, Technology, Brexit
Duration
67 minutes
Rating
100

Comments

  • DP

    David P.

    26 4 2018 12:02

    2       0

    I am more surprised by the comments than by Roger's take. I would advise people to read more and more books about influence,psychology and the effects of addiction. I have met many great investors that pointed out that psychology was the hardest thing, and the most important, to master. It probably applies to competitive sport as well.
    I would kindly advise those among the commentators that believe they are impossible to manipulate/influence to try to give up one of their addiction (cig, sugar, sex, you name it) and see by themselves how much control they truly have about their own brain. For me, it was sobering.

  • SR

    Steve R.

    22 4 2018 08:38

    1       0

    Well well well - I've been talking about these issues for best part of a decade now and no one listened. To me it was all blindingly obvious. As they say "absolute power corrupts absolutely", and "this isn't a problem until its a problem" - both sum up my thoughts perfectly. Why has this been allowed to go on for so long? Because governments/actors view Facebook as a tool for mass surveillance and mass manipulation of society, pure and simple. The NSA must be laughing!

  • PG

    Petter G.

    21 4 2018 20:42

    6       0

    A lot of angry comments and down votes on this interview due to the somewhat political content. It may very well be true that this wouldn't be an issue if Brexit didn't happen and if Trump hadn't won, but does that really matter? If we (for whatever reason) now know that the social media platforms are being used for mass manipulation, shouldn't we try to fix it? Or at least discuss it to make more people aware of the issue? Personally I think this is an extremely relevant topic that needs to be discussed far and wide and I therefore agree with the other commentators that this video should be made public.

    Great content yet again RV. Thanks.

  • MS

    Matt S.

    20 4 2018 20:19

    3       8

    "destabilizing democracy" = not getting the election result you wanted so blame Facebook and the Russians... LMAO.

    Maybe, just maybe, despite how horrific Facebook indeed now is, people can still actually think for themselves and merely use FB, Twitter and YouTube to communicate those shared values and ideas to each other? Would this guy think Facebook was so bad if Hilary had won and Brexit hadn't happened? I think not. I think there would be no Russian conversation AT ALL. It would be business as usual for the globalists, the "Project" still going ahead as planned.

    Ohhhhhhh! It wasn't a hack now, got it! It was just those pesky Russians using Facebook... normally. Well, as good a reason as any to risk total annihilation of the planet through nuclear warfare then, go for it! Drop those bombs on Syria! (Trump is so compromised)

    16:50 - step 2 - WOW. He's advocating that Facebook give up all the data to the government, on all the people that were "touched by the Russians” on Facebook and Twitter during the election. Am I listening to a Stasi officer here?

    "We have these people in Washington who seem to think their purpose is to enrich themselves" – the irony lost on him that Hillary Clinton, who has never worked in the private sector, is somehow worth 300 million dollars... Hmmm.......

    "these people... the Russians... the Trump campaign... others presumably..." - what others presumably? Such vague empty accusations. Such garbage.

    You know, the more I listened and obseved this guy speaking, the more it occurred to me that he may well in fact work for the CIA; they are known early funders of Facebook, maybe this is how!

    This was as bad, maybe worse, then the dreadful multi-part Council on Foreign Relations series that came out not long ago.

  • BP

    Brandon P.

    19 4 2018 22:45

    4       0

    Don't get hung up on the minute details. As Roger lays out, Facebook's business model lies in increasing "inflammatory" opinions. In other words, they only promote the emotional arguments (irrational over rational) which leads to groups consolidating into more concentrated, like-minded groups. This is the end goal: consolidate target markets of people with similar ideals, mindsets, interests, etc. so that we can earn more money from advertisers selling this data. That is what Facebook is all about, and they avoid the responsibility of its ramifications by claiming to be a "platform, not a service". In the end folks, it all comes down to convenience. A topic I have written about as well, and will shamelessly provide a link for here: https://steemit.com/culture/@maven360/the-cultivation-of-convenience-musing-crypto-investing

  • MB

    Mike B.

    19 4 2018 21:09

    3       0

    @realvision - you guys should put this video public

    • MS

      Matt S.

      20 4 2018 20:12

      1       1

      agreed - we need more people to rip these deadly elitists from power.

  • JJ

    J J.

    19 4 2018 16:15

    1       3

    Really informative. Grateful to Roger to share this story with us. Brian might be RealVisions best interviewer as he knows when to listen and let someone talk.

    • MS

      Matt S.

      20 4 2018 20:11

      0       4

      You mean he knows how to step aside and let the message be transmitted uninterrupted?

  • VM

    Vincent M.

    19 4 2018 00:49

    4       3

    Read the comments and saved an hour... its about investing not politics Roger.

    • pd

      peer d.

      20 4 2018 16:17

      2       4

      Right on Vincent, I watched half waiting for some investment insight and was subject to another sanctimonious Baby Boomer.

    • TA

      Trevor A.

      1 5 2018 22:43

      0       1

      Roger McNamee is an unhinged baby boomer and a male feminist. He is a joke. Calling for war with Russia over a lost election? It's time to send these sicko warmongers out to pasture, the baby boomer era of needless foreign war and destruction of the bill of rights is winding down.

  • NI

    Nate I.

    18 4 2018 02:56

    9       3

    Here is a little puzzle for you Roger. I don't have a FB account - never had, never will. So now how do you explain why I didn't vote for HRC? Vladimir Putin probably picked-up the phone and called me directly with voting instructions, right?

    • MS

      Matt S.

      20 4 2018 20:10

      2       2

      lol exactly

  • JH

    James H.

    18 4 2018 01:11

    5       2

    Excellent interview. My favorite since subscribing. Very timely as well.

    • MS

      Matt S.

      20 4 2018 20:09

      3       6

      Must have been the first video you watched since subscribing.

  • SS

    Sam S.

    17 4 2018 20:08

    10       1

    Brian Price is an excellent listener! I don't agree with Roger's view on Brexit and some of the political comments. However, I've now certainly learned so much about these issues with FB and how serious they are and have become. There's always some form of "manipulation" of the public whether the news feeds or social platforms and the story of who are the wizards behind the curtain. I strongly agree that FB and other platforms MUST provide the right to privacy as the default mechanism. FB failing to comply with their signed consent decree is a real slap in the face of laws and regulations designed to serve the great good. Where is the enforcement of our laws? Why is FB not being punished for their arrogance? Does the law matter any more? Mr. McNamee is an excellent speaker and so generous to put himself out there for the benefit of others.

    • MS

      Matt S.

      20 4 2018 20:08

      1       5

      That's because Brian Price is OBVIOUSLY a huge fanboy... duh.

  • DW

    Denton W.

    17 4 2018 15:37

    11       6

    I am no fan of Trump as a person. And I love the content Real Vision provides. But this interview was pure garbage. McNamee is a complete heretic. A couple of elections did not go the way he wanted so he has to blame someone or something. When Obama used data and social media to win in 08 and 12 he was called a genius. And now the other side does it and it is somehow evil and manipulative?

    And Roger branding all Leave voters as "racist" and "xenophobic" shows how shallow Roger is intellectually. He has had great success in his career but is blinded by politics.

    • SW

      Scott W.

      18 4 2018 13:28

      3       3

      Very well said! It's sad and pathetic that outcomes from complicated and often sub-optimal binary choices are explained away by some by "-isms". Shallow intellectual-ISM indeed!

  • JH

    Joel H.

    17 4 2018 02:48

    0       3

    Uh, am I the only person who uses ad block?

  • BO

    Bryan O.

    16 4 2018 21:49

    7       2

    Fascinating. Thanks for another incredibly insightful piece Real Vision.

  • TS

    Timothy S.

    16 4 2018 13:40

    13       2

    I had a hunch while watching this that there would be a higher ratio of thumbs downs. Reality isn't always the one we see. Great interview.

  • VS

    Victor S.

    16 4 2018 11:51

    4       10

    Perhaps the most boring interview i have ever seen. I think Roger is a very bright man and would like to hear his views of the future. Too bad it was a a waste of time.

  • KS

    Kashyap S.

    16 4 2018 08:37

    11       16

    Boo hoo. Trump leveraged Facebook and won and you don't like Trump. I get it. Stuff happens, don't be a cry baby. Everyone who uses Facebook knows it is supported by ad spending. "Manipulation" is simply defined as "people changing their mind based on things I think are untrue". Like you have a global monopoly on truth. Waste of time.

    • RM

      Robert M.

      16 4 2018 21:22

      9       1

      I think you missunderstood the key points to the interview, maybe you should watch it again.

  • PC

    Peter C.

    16 4 2018 05:52

    9       1

    Very topical & relevant. Love RVTV's recent high coverage of FB especially since this Cambridge Analytical fiasco is a catalyst to a lot more than FB's woes'.

  • SS

    Steven S.

    16 4 2018 04:59

    4       0

    today's Q drops if true - just wow.

    here is a site to see the latest confirmed Q posts that are taken from the original 8chan board as they are posted.
    https://qanonposts.com/

    Is this just a conspiracy hobby for basement dwellers? I am in a basement :)

    I can say the movement is growing & I am amazed at the number of people following this intently, a huge crowd-sourcing effort to record and investigate each post is happening in real time, amazing coordination, some very smart and accomplished people, social media (twitter, youtube, etc) is full of Qanon reporters (despite blocking/banning efforts), but more importantly the Q intel is getting more date specific with actionable connect-the-dot results expected in the near term. We should know soon how real this is.

    Not sure about you all - but I pay for RV access for the possibility of advanced knowledge of what may be coming - sometimes you don't have to pay to be circumspect.

    You can dislike the whole Q thing - but I don't think its smart to ignore it...

    • MS

      Matt S.

      20 4 2018 20:06

      1       0

      https://qanonposts.com/ - what is this? what is this all about??

  • SN

    Sean N.

    16 4 2018 00:47

    3       0

    Interesting personal perspective / narrative, from an former insider. Feels like there is a lot more to his story than this though, and some elements are still very debatable.

    Social media, like all media has an effect on elections. Social media is open to manipulation in different ways than the main stream media has been, and voters are as susceptible as they have always been. Now it's just easier to target individuals with specific messages and reinforce them within the lucrative echo chambers that social media companies create for advertisers. The game is the same, the tools have changed.

    People should already to know by now that their online profile shapes what they see and hear and search for online. They need to be able to think critically for themselves, as they always have, for a democracy to function well.

  • EF

    Eric F.

    15 4 2018 22:39

    9       7

    Good interview and most insightful into the evolution and workings of FB. Number of downvotes and negative comments seeem unwarranted to me. It seems a certain selection of RV viewers can’t handle comments about women or politics without getting emotional and losing all objectivity.

    • MS

      Matt S.

      20 4 2018 20:03

      2       3

      here, have a downvote...

  • JS

    Jim S.

    15 4 2018 22:17

    9       6

    "Manipulation" is marketing that convinces people to do things you disagree with. Does anyone want to hazard a guess as to the ratio of domestic:foreign political marketing that took place during the 2016 election cycle? And should the government (or benevolent silicon valley types) be deciding what marketing gets thru?

    I am hopeful that even many who agree with Mr. McNamee's political sensibilities remain open-minded enough to recognize that BLM, Brexit & the 2016 US election can be viewed as having legitimate viewpoints on both sides, and that none are as unambiguously "evil" as the Tylenol poisonings. But perhaps those that disagree with Roger are not the only ones conveniently sortable into "filter bubbles"...

    Regardless, it is disappointing that RV would post a blatant political commentary in this format. This is a piece that desperately needed a dogged questioner to ask whether viewers are really to believe this very smart guy had zero clue about FB biz model while it was making him billions & facilitating election outcomes he supported. There are plenty of political venues for the piece as is, but I certainly hope RV does not intend to become one of them.

  • yd

    yon d.

    15 4 2018 22:01

    6       1

    Thank you RealVision for another great interview. I'm truly appreciative of your platform, which takes a lot of time and resources to garner. Great interviewee. Terrific subject matter.

    As a Canadian, I'm curious of the anti-Russian sentiment and the interviewee's conviction (with no proof provided) of Russian influence through FB. Nevertheless, great topic for consideration.

    Thank you again, RealVision!

  • cw

    cc w.

    15 4 2018 15:24

    13       2

    So what if brexit didn't happen and Hilary Clinton wins the election would Roger McNamee still think there are data point showing the platform is being misused?

  • JF

    John F.

    15 4 2018 14:54

    10       12

    RealVision has created a wonderful medium for rich conversations. There are plenty of other venues for self-justifying infomercials. No more, please!

    • MS

      Matt S.

      20 4 2018 20:00

      1       2

      absolutely

  • TJ

    Tay J.

    15 4 2018 14:27

    11       2

    Hey Milton -- This interview is crying out to be shared outside the paywall. Many of my friends remain oblivious to this side of the social media debate. i sure wish they could hear it!

    • SP

      Steve P.

      16 4 2018 01:01

      7       1

      Wholeheartedly agree Tay - this video brings home a number of very pertinent points re the dominant bizz platform roles in the lives of literally billions of people and associated effects they can have on those lives. A very worthwhile production to share widely..

  • TT

    Tokyo T.

    15 4 2018 11:17

    11       11

    Horrible interview, let the interviewee make all these claims with no evidence to back up his claims. Name dropping BS. Garbage.

    • RM

      Robert M.

      16 4 2018 22:36

      2       2

      Roger provided ample evidence to back up his claims. The message I took away was to be wary of FB and Google from an investment perspective given the intense scrutiny that is likely from regulators around privacy and how this will affect their business models. Look at what happened to Microsoft and how long it took them to recover from regulators jumping all over them.

  • CF

    Chris F.

    15 4 2018 01:43

    14       11

    Russia. Good lord. Don’t waste your time watching this one. Realvison, why?

    Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton’s Doomed Campaign by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes. They the let cat out of the bag! This whole thing was created to pitch to the media as an excuse to why Hillary got beat.

    There’s more evidence that Hillary colluded with Russians than Trump.

    • SP

      Steve P.

      16 4 2018 01:04

      1       0

      ...obviously some of those bubbles have not yet been pricked

    • RM

      Robert M.

      16 4 2018 22:43

      3       2

      This interview was about the abuse of a technology platform, not about Tump or Hillary. Hillary by the way is not President and therefore is a nonevent, she lost and is history. What she has to do with current events is beyond me. Putin hates Hillary, so its unlikely that Russia colluded with her, all the Democrats did was continue a private investingation into Trump started by the Republicans.

  • DH

    Daniel H.

    14 4 2018 22:40

    8       2

    This video makes me very excited about the Basic Attention Token (BAT) and Brave Browser project where advertisers, content creators, and users interests are all aligned. Digital advertising is broke, BAT appears a new fresh approach to fix.

  • TF

    Terry F.

    14 4 2018 21:16

    13       1

    FB is a platform that allows its use as a tool of persuasion. That persuasion can be either the truth or disinformation. It's disingenuous to be concerned about FB being used for right wing disinformation while being unconcerned about the mainstream media being used for left wing disinformation (CNN anyone?). The left wing propagandists have had a lock on the disinformation outlet for years via the main stream media. FB has been used for left and right wing disinformation. The left tried but the right did it better. If it had been the other way around I doubt we would have had this interview with McNamee.

  • BK

    Brian K.

    14 4 2018 18:34

    12       0

    Interesting interview, but I think it's a bit disingenuous to blame FB and ignore certain economic realities in the U.S. (some secular, some self-made), that contributed to the anti-establishment / populist sentiment that Trump tapped into.

    Would also appreciate more thoughts on FB's business model and areas of innovation vs. political talk.

  • CH

    Colin H.

    14 4 2018 18:21

    10       0

    I find the negative comments (pro-Trump/anti-Clinton) a bit odd in that this technology helped Obama win a couple of times too.
    What's so subversive about the premise that people can be susceptible to influence and persuasion?
    That's the rationale behind sales, marketing, propaganda, political campaigning.

    This isn't a left versus right issue, it's demagoguery versus rationality.

  • JM

    Jim M.

    14 4 2018 16:54

    15       5

    Never liked this guy. Brings his political bias to most appearances especially leading up to the 2016 election.

  • EG

    Erik G.

    14 4 2018 15:50

    14       2

    If the election results were reversed, would we be talking about any of this? My guess is no. It’s power and potential destruction would be exponential in the future.

  • PP

    Peter P.

    14 4 2018 12:27

    20       0

    Whenever 1/3 of votes are thumbs down, easy to say I'll skip this, but that would be a big mistake.

    An amazing interview & worth listening to to the very end. Roger may believe the populist outcomes only happened because of manipulation of Facebook, but that is not the value of the interview, and personally disagree w/ Roger and am thankful the message of "flyover country" was elevated by the election of Donald Trump & by Brexit to those in London/EU)

    The interview is a unique insider's look at the evolution of FB, and the call is not just for regulation, but an embrace of the EU GDPR & on the near monopoly of our information by a few large tech companies, Roger gives the specific example of the ATT 1956 decree opening all their patents to competitors & not allowing ATT to enter new markets, which in his words allowed mainframe & microcomputers & the use of the Bell Labs transistor to innovate the world & Roger ends by flagging an upcoming launch of a ledger of harm. Imagine the same for algorithms currently owned by AMZN, GOOG, FB, APPL etc.

    Thank you again to RV for using a well known name like Roger's to introducing me to numerous people & ideas, I would not have otherwise known of (I refer to the ex-GOOG/FB employees discussed in the interview & behind the Ledger of harm & center for humane technology) - this interview could not be more timely.

    Bravo Brian Price

    • SP

      Steve P.

      16 4 2018 01:44

      11       1

      Peter - you nail the value of this interview extremely well. From a lot of the comments, it's sad to say that more than a few take the video at face value only. There is a plethora of extremely valuable commentary by Roger in this clip that brings together a lot of piecemeal news clips that have been recent headlines. The fact that Zuckerberg was hauled in to testify just days ago brings home the importance of the issues involved. To sweep this video under the carpet as a form of 'self promo', 'name dropping' 'right wing conspiracy' etc is to completely miss the videos real value. A real information scoop RV ... well done.

  • AF

    Aidan F.

    14 4 2018 10:37

    8       7

    Destabilizing democracy or exposing the truth...Web is the check and balance not something that needs to be suppressed.. Sorry Stalinism not wanted. watched half of this and then saw the emotional bias in how he spoke...waste of time

    • AF

      Aidan F.

      14 4 2018 10:40

      1       1

      stalinist paranoia

  • GF

    Gordon F.

    14 4 2018 01:58

    20       1

    I enjoyed this interview, but I don't think Facebook is fixable. Its business model depends on creating an addiction in its users, by enhancing their anger, worry, insecurity, and ignorance. It may well continue to be a popular platform, but I suspect that the #DeleteFacebook meme will spread, and its popularity will decline. My perspective is mine only, as I created an account a few years ago, logged in once, and left. I have never been back.
    As for its influence on elections, it is one of many, and the people and groups trying to influence voters ON FACEBOOK are legion, not to mention all the other avenues of influence available. I have no doubt that there were Russians doing their part, and likely Chinese, Israelis, ISIS, and possibly the Salvation Army. To credit any of them with influence way out of proportion to their investment seems improbable.
    It is clear from the interview that Roger loves what he thought Facebook could be, and still hopes that it might become, but it seems clear to me that their business model depends on addiction of their users to the stimuli of the platform, and they will do whatever it requires to maintain that addiction. It is unclear that regulation to fix this is even possible. I will not presume to propose any general solutions. My personal solution is to stay away.

  • KS

    Kathleen S.

    14 4 2018 01:56

    17       14

    Not worth watching --- actually scary the lies and half truth this guy is spewing. Not surprised to see that Real Vision viewers see right through him. For the record "BONO" also know as Paul David Hewson needs to start paying his fair share of taxes - Ireland could certainly use the help; especially after it bailed private banks which it had no legal obligation to do (Irish people are so nice). Russia played no part in Hillary losing to Trump, she lost all by herself because she was an unlikeable corrupt candidate and of course FaceBook spies on you -- For Christ Sake that is it's business model.

  • GF

    George F.

    14 4 2018 00:15

    24       2

    Mr. McNammee .. can a privileged life cloud reality? .. IMHO our country isn't on the ropes b/c of a FB conspiracy ... But its 40 yrs of sellout America trade agreements, the hollowing out of our breadwinner jobs economy, its money printing creating zero honest price discovery to miss allocate our scarce capital, its the Govt (Fed, State, Local) takeover of our GDP, and at the root of it all the kleptocracy which is our professional political class today ... I hope you can create those new jobs and find a way to protect our intellectual property. ... gfv

  • JP

    John P.

    13 4 2018 23:47

    22       3

    Don't think anyone should buy the powder keg that facebook is about to become but these points are way off and reek of technocratic superiority.
    -Facebook is not destabilizing democracy in the US just because a bad candidate lost in an upset. We've had plenty of more insane presidents than Trump.
    -People had a legitimate reason for Brexit, only people in ivory towers can't see this.
    -Hillary spent millions of dollars hiring thousands of people to spend all day shilling for her on every online social platform.
    -There is documented emails of Sheryl Sandberg, agreeing to help the Clinton campaign. They absolutely helped her.
    -America and other democracies were founded on the ideas of free press, free speech, and the wisdom of the crowds. If you think people are actually swayed by social media to vote in particular ways then why the hell even believe in Democracy? Thinking russia meddled in the election on facebook is effectively saying people have no collective way of discerning truth or self governing.
    -Speaking of "destabilizing democracy" what about facebook and the Arab spring? If they're capable of any manipulation then its help organizing rebellions. They are a weapon, specifically a US weapon.
    -Most Facebook is baby pictures, forum posting, and an event planner. Did they breach contract with users? Maybe. Regulating them will only waste tons of funds over false peace of mind....you think the NSA is gonna give up their back door into everyone's lives? Absolutely not.

  • PC

    Philip C.

    13 4 2018 23:27

    19       4

    His remarks on brexit were comically naive. Perhaps a good idea to stick to talking about things he knows something about.

  • SS

    Steven S.

    13 4 2018 22:16

    1       2

    Great Q update / summary of where we are in this process -It's quite relevant to this video topic.

    Listen, whether you follow this or believe in it or not - you should listen/watch to this excellent and current #QANON drop summary.

    sounds like big changes are coming - this moment is growing.....bigly

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMh5Qjkbn78

    Does RV censor comments like Twitter / FB / Youtube? hope not.

    • SS

      Steven S.

      13 4 2018 22:27

      1       2

      52.55 min mark summary of Q addressing @snowden for drop - then MZ is discussed.

  • WP

    William P.

    13 4 2018 20:42

    7       8

    Less than engaging monologue. Get Mike Green in there to ask some challenging questions....

    • MS

      Matt S.

      20 4 2018 19:53

      1       0

      They didn't want challenging questions - this was one of RVs propaganda pieces, just like the DREADFUL Council on Foreign Relations series.

    • TA

      Trevor A.

      1 5 2018 22:54

      0       0

      Roger and Raoul have the same politics so they went ahead and published this globalist shilling from Roger.

  • DL

    Dan L.

    13 4 2018 20:22

    31       3

    People did not vote to leave the EU for the reasons he gave at 21:24 (some maybe, but not the vast majority that swung the vote). This is obviously a very smart guy but that is just false. People voted to leave the EU so they could would have an independent identity and not have their political system being influenced/controlled by nations abroad. I mean, the very notion that he thinks that people voted to leave the EU simply to take a bunch of money and redistribute it for their own healthcare system just shows that the way he sees the world tends to be through the lens of the far left (which is fairly clear given his relationship with Bono, Sandberg, Zuck, and long career in Music)... I mean, I appreciate the interview here but at least be clear with what your bias is off the start, rather than trying to present the entire narrative like its absolute fact... lol

    • MB

      Michael B.

      14 4 2018 10:07

      7       0

      Not forgetting that the EU parliament is just a place to talk. The laws & real control are in the hands of bureaucrats that are not voted by the people nor can they be removed and seem to very left leaning Socialists. That is the hallmarks of a totalitarian system so I don't blame the Brits for wanting out.

  • SC

    Steve C.

    13 4 2018 20:21

    7       0

    One point that shined out bright ‘ I don’t think we should punish these guys’ for knowingly doing wrong. Why not - what makes that a reasonable call other than your long the stock

  • SS

    Steven S.

    13 4 2018 19:51

    9       0

    Political propaganda? no.... - he may be correct that the Facebook platform is used for evil -- How does Roger feel about DARPA? -look into the LifeLog project. Did you know it's kill date AND the date FB was founded are the same - now do you believe in coincidences??
    https://www.wired.com/2004/02/pentagon-kills-lifelog-project/

    I don't know what to believe - but maybe RV could have the principals behind Lifelog discuss these issues? Why did the premise go from private deep state to public hands? so curious.

    https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Roger_McNamee_to_Become_Wikimedia_Advisor_January_2009
    Maybe he got some of his political views & discussion notes from a co-board member?

    If I was the interviewer - these are some points I would have put some color too.
    But hey who am I ? - maybe this was strictly a pulpit-piece.

    • MB

      Michael B.

      14 4 2018 10:03

      3       1

      Perhaps the deep state want as much confusion as possible to mask what they are doing

  • SS

    Swagotom S.

    13 4 2018 18:40

    14       1

    Just curious - what if, Trump wins again in 2020 ?

    • MB

      Michael B.

      14 4 2018 09:56

      4       0

      If the Democrats don't get their act together then Trump will get back in. Democrats need to stop pushing & supporting radical left propaganda. A new man is needed as Bernie Sanders is virtually communist!

  • RA

    Robert A.

    13 4 2018 18:09

    16       0

    Vintage RV, timely and cutting edge information presented in a concise and structured manner. Agree or disagree with Any or All of the views presented. I enjoy the “deep background” in many of the RV interviews and honestly feel that “investable ideas” will come down the road even though none were earmarked in the piece, to the lament of some viewers.

    Here is the main thing that jumped out at me; so....a Liberaterian Silicon Valley mantra/Kool Aid resulted in “build the tools” as fast as possible and don’t get hung up on any negativity as to how they are used.....”move fast nd break things”......well Boys and Girls, let’s revisit AI in fifteen years! Yikes— empower and beef up AI @ full speed without any concern about what harmful effects it might have—seems like the first thing a “robust” AI program would exhibit and perfect would be it’s ability not to be interfered with, limited in any way, and continually build self defense characteristics that would include not being able to be understood by anyone or anything that wasn’t AI compatible. If you think FB/Google privacy issues are “creepy”.....I respectfully submit that AI will be truly “scary”.

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      Michael B.

      14 4 2018 09:59

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      The 3 laws of Robotics from Isaac Asimovs Robot novels sounds a good start. The developers of the Daleks from Dr Who deliberately left out human empathy which resulted in a ruthless creation that had no respect for its creators. AI has incredible potential but great risk too.

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    Daniel D.

    13 4 2018 15:13

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    Most American's are politically lazy and apathetic. Seriously, we are worried that the "News" on social media may be manipulated. The operative word is "social". Users are looking to be spoon fed accurate and reliable information-how stupid! Don't think for yourselves-that's too hard. There's nothing new here-look at the political press during the late 1800s and early 1900s in the U.S. It was brutal, satire, personal, manipulated, etc. It always has been. The news has been all downhill since Walter Cronkite retired. Looking for conspiracy's for all things Russia is also laughable. Put a mirror on ourselves if you want to see hypocrisy, manipulating our own citizens and a corrupt Deep State.

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    Tim B.

    13 4 2018 14:51

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    The Europeans are way ahead on protecting privacy in a digital age.

    Time for the U.S. to play catch up...

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      Matt S.

      20 4 2018 19:47

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      Don't be so sure about that... the EU is an invention of the Americans. It may be masquerading as that for now, but only until they have full power and control over the population.

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    Scott W.

    13 4 2018 13:35

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    This particular concern is perhaps far less nefarious than supposed when viewed against the aggregate environment of news and information. McNamee espouses a worldview that can arguably be categorized as "mainstream democrat". This worldview presupposes that CNN and the Washington Post are objective news sources while Fox is a dangerous hotbed of rightist fake news and propaganda. And yes, Fox CLEARLY markets to Republicans and clearly tailors coverage to the right. The objective reality however is that CNN/NYT/WashPo/ABC/CBS/NBC etc. etc. etc. are solidly Democrat and have been so for decades. What influence has this had in elections? Arguably FAR more in aggregate and for a far longer timeframe. McMamee argues that Facebook can enable fair uninfluenced elections by what, intentionally channeling "mainstream" news from mainstream sources? Who determines mainstream? CBS intentionally ran a story about GW Bush in 2004 based upon knowingly false pretenses - for which Dan Rather was fired. NBC et al. intentionally omitted key facts in their reporting of the Trevon Martin and Mike Brown to fit a leftist worldview and narrative . We're to trust these sources?

    EVERYBODY should strive to draw conclusions from objective fact rather than succumbing to confirmation bias. But let's perhaps be objective about the big picture, rather than focusing on one counter-trend datum against a backdrop of overwhelming one-sided "influence". Confirmation bias is not solely the province of Fox viewers. And maybe Facebook should focus primarily on how to better share kitten photos rather than on how to assist the next Hilary Clinton.

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      Philip N.

      13 4 2018 22:24

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      I think the solution is to make them common carriers. If it isn't illegal they can't ban it. Anything they let Obama do when they were helping him, that is the new standard and they have to do it for any politician who asks.

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    Pieter B.

    13 4 2018 13:09

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    That was a fantastic, high quality conversation! Thanks a lot!

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      Matt S.

      20 4 2018 19:45

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      Wipe the sleep from your eyes Pieter! Mummy's here! Time to wake up! :)

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    Nick v.

    13 4 2018 12:19

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    1. Facebook is a media company
    2. Zuckerberg is the most fundamentally dishonest CEO in tech
    3. Facebook is the most evil organization on planet earth because it is a mass platform serving as a tool for evil-doers
    4. Chamath is a hero

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      Robert O.

      18 4 2018 05:05

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      Reply to #2: Elon Musk maybe a bit more dishonest.

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    John S.

    13 4 2018 12:17

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    Not what I expect to see on RVTV

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      George F.

      13 4 2018 13:58

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      Any investible ideas?

      I heard nothing new. I want to see some of these FB ads, Russian Troll Farm Tweets, ect. I have seen no actual evidence any of this happened.

      "large number of, people who'd voted for Obama who had not voted for Clinton." They are called Black people, If you are an upper class California computer nerd, maybe you imagine the person Black people hate the most is some Southern Redneck Klansman, they don't exist anymore. The person Black people hate the most today is a white lady that looks like Hillary Clinton.

      Amazing fact: Hillary lost the state she is most associated with Arkansas, where her husband won elections. That was not Russian trolls. Hillary also was in very poor health and collapsed in the street in a very public way. The question is not how Hillary lost, it is how she got so far. Hillary was also not popular with the bureaucrats (deep government) in DC, who did not want to work for her for personal, not political reasons.

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      Eric F.

      15 4 2018 22:35

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      You just had a huge insight into the workings of FB and you’re asking for investable ideas? Ask for a spoon as well while you’re at it.

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    Michael B.

    13 4 2018 11:00

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    An interesting conversation but no one has ever found any evidence of Russian collusion in affecting the 2016 US election even after a year of investigation. They appear to be just a convenient scapegoat. There is a lot going on behind the scenes which is hidden but blaming Russia, really.?

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      John S.

      13 4 2018 12:17

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      Russia, Russia, zzzzzz!

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      Cameron L.

      13 4 2018 12:32

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      Your ice cream cone falls over, blame Russia
      Your dog dies, blame Russia
      Your daughter catches a cold, blame Russia
      Your phone dies, blame Putin
      You miss your golf put, blame the Kremlin !

      Facebook was the sole cause for Hillary Clintons loss? , sure thing, absolutely nothing to do with an FBI investigation, illegal servers, fake dossiers, uranium one, Benghazi, Libya, corruption, theft, lies, money laundering, Haiti fraud, Saudi Arabia, critically fragile health condition, calling human beings deplorable because they weren't democrats..

      Facebook might have screwed up allowing the Trump campaign to leveraged Cambridge Analytical's data, he played the game. Clinton spent almost twice what trump did at $1.19bln on her campaign and still lost, yet we all need to blame facebook and the RUSSIANS !

      Trump has issues, his twitter diplomacy is becoming dangerous! but to say the election result was purely based on some facebook adverts, seriously ?