Ben Whitby, who oversees strategic partnerships and regulatory affairs at Qredo, welcomes Lex Sokolin, the head economist at Consensys, for a high-level discussion about the legal issues that could affect the growth of DeFi as well as the larger themes and core beliefs shaping the industry's future. The world is gravitating toward populism, according to Sokolin, and away from the centralized control of sovereigns, and this ideological shift reverberates in our software. What might this mean for legislation, surveillance, and privacy protection? Sokolin and Whitby also discuss Neuralink, the rapid pace of technological development worldwide, and much more. Recorded on April 21, 2022.