On the Road: Washington, D.C. – Episode 2

Published on
May 15th, 2019
39 minutes

On the Road: Washington, D.C. – Episode 2

On The Road ·
Featuring Neil Howe and Dr. Harald Malmgren

Published on: May 15th, 2019 • Duration: 39 minutes

Grant Williams and Neil Howe travel to the nation’s capital to continue their discussion about how previous “Fourth Turnings” have impacted the United States. They weave their way through the National Mall, paying homage to the WWII, Korean War, and Vietnam Veterans memorials and the generations they represent. They then meet with economist and former presidential advisor Dr. Harald Malmgren to get a look inside generational transfers of power and politics during times of upheaval. Filmed on April 4, 2019 in Washington, D.C.



  • MJ
    Matt J.
    6 January 2021 @ 17:56
    Watching after COVID19 hit. Very eye-opening!
  • WW
    Woody W.
    4 May 2020 @ 02:47
    The show is eye-opening.
  • DN
    D N.
    16 April 2020 @ 05:12
    Re-listening now. ... That "crisis" they spoke of at the end.
  • TM
    Tom M.
    4 November 2019 @ 22:33
    The ideological war is between individualists and collectivists. The distinction can be qualified further, but I'll leave it at that. We already witnessed what collectivism brings in the form of communism and national socialism. We don't want to go back there.
    • TM
      Tom M.
      4 November 2019 @ 22:40
      I should have said individualistic populism vs collectivistic populism.
  • DH
    Daniel H.
    23 May 2019 @ 09:18
    So far I think they are way too kind to the millenials. They seem to be the most frivolous generation, obsessed with being bailed out on their student loan debt. On Twitter, they think they will get rich on Tesla, Bitcoin, and cannabis stocks. And they tell anyone who disagrees with them that "you don't get it." They have a lot of growing up to do, even if the oldest of them is in their late thirties.
    • DC
      Dan C.
      1 June 2019 @ 07:33
      Sounds like an entitled boomer who expects Millennials to underwrite his free healthcare just like his education was underwritten at a very low cost...
    • st
      scott t.
      31 October 2019 @ 08:03
      Yes 'bailed out' student debt as the boomers were bailed out oblivion in the last financial crisis of their own making. Borrowing the future away from your children has outcomes. Welcome to the new not normal.
    • BR
      Brent R.
      31 October 2019 @ 14:00
      I think they see the writing on the wall, something Boomers never did as they kicked the can down the road. Why play continue playing the same game when the house is rigged against you?
  • st
    scott t.
    31 October 2019 @ 08:05
    Epic and confirming many of my own feelings about the current situation. Thank you Grant! Sincerely, Another X'er
  • CS
    Charles S.
    5 September 2019 @ 23:09
    Bull session ...
  • MZ
    Martin Z.
    9 June 2019 @ 09:56
    Malmgren was gracious enough to play along with the generational labeling game, but his thinking is clearly much deeper and more nuanced than Howe's. The salient division in politics today is (and arguably always has been) the spectrum that runs from authoritarianism to freedom, not one drawn along the lines of ideology, age, race, political party, etc. Both the "left" and the "right" (more outmoded labels) are swiftly moving toward the same endgame, aided and abetted by technologies that in themselves tend toward totalitarian use. The irony is that labels like "Generation X", "Millennials" etc. are authoritarian in nature themselves, artificial categories which only tend to divide people and ultimately encourage class warfare. Let's not forget that all these labels originated as marketing devices, and advertising is itself is a subtle but extremely effective form of propaganda. Perhaps then we should all ask ourselves: cui bono?
  • MM
    M. M.
    20 May 2019 @ 13:53
    EP 2 is actually EP 1
  • BJ
    Brian J.
    20 May 2019 @ 07:14
    This stuff is a bit boring
  • AV
    Ameya V.
    19 May 2019 @ 17:54
    Wow, just wow. The first On the Road series on Italy was incredible. This continues to maintain the quality and builds on it with great guests looking beyond the financial world and delving really into the overall system and how financial crises, especially the coming one, will initiate geopolitical, military and institutional crisis which, as Harald aptly says, has the potential to become revolutionary.
  • PD
    Peter D.
    15 May 2019 @ 12:31
    Grant does a great job, as usual, in bringing out the best in his guests, in this case, Howe and Malmgren. The two big ideas so far: 1. Howe's "lifetime 75-80 cycles" imply that almost everyone who was around for the last cycle is pretty much dead or inactive by now. Which is why we never learn from the past. (I am thinking here of Robert Prechter and Ian Gordon who warned early and often about the coming turning...but who are now offstage ...just as their predictions are set to come true). 2. Harold's "We are starting to look a lot like Russia" (ie. the Soviet Union) was also bang on. America appears to be seizing up into autarchy, as personal and economic freedoms take a back seat to other priorities. Hats off to the production, sound and editing teams, which did great work in putting this together and making entertaining .... even for those who are familiar with all these ideas. These strategic pieces - of which the "On the road" series appears to hold great promise - are, by far, the best value that Real Vision is providing right now.
    • MB
      Mo B.
      18 May 2019 @ 23:40
      You are a critical thinker sir.
  • WM
    Will M.
    17 May 2019 @ 16:59
    I am definitely bought into the generation cycles, it just makes sense as Strauss & Howe broadly described it. It is not meant to be specific and detailed, and Howe frequently comes under fire for his generalizations, but it is hard to defy the broad brush of generational traits based on how they were treated, and what they saw as children. My parents were born in 1930 and they are ABSOLUTELY the very definition of the silent generation. As a solid boomer born in 1956 I am not quite totally typical as I do have some traits of GenX as described in the 4th Turning. So not perfect, but a "broad" brush fit.
  • RM
    RJ M.
    15 May 2019 @ 13:51
    Gobbly gook nonsense
    • WM
      Will M.
      17 May 2019 @ 16:45
      Clearly a statement from a non-thinker.........
  • SD
    Stephen D. | Contributor
    16 May 2019 @ 05:48
    I'm finding this most stimulating. But when I look at the USA I see a status quo with Boomers or older in charge. The two traditoinal parties are still entirely encumbent and unchallenged. The President, 72, was born in 1946, the 3rd President born in that first Baby Booming year (and they all dodged Vietnam). The first of those 1946 presidents took office 26 years ago. Trump's two top challengers are 76 and 77- they were both born before the Baby Boom. The speaker of the House is 79. What generational shift? Meanwhile in Europe the French President is 41, In italy the leaders of the coalition are 46 and 32 and none of them come from parties that existed ten years ago.The political status quo is breaking dowen in Spain and, thanks to Brexit, the UK. If we want to see a sign of a 4th Turning surely we should be looking at Europe, not the USA. Still, incredibly interesting. As everyone says, Howard Malgren is a font of wisdom. Amazing
    • JA
      John A.
      16 May 2019 @ 10:47
      I would respectfully disagree. Trump is no traditional republican. His party will change to follow him, or be blown away like dust in the wind, to be replaced by a party more in his image. The democrat party is likewise, evolving, and being torn apart. It was only a couple of generations ago that a democrat president said “Ask not what you foundry can do for you...” Can we imagine any democrat living today speaking those words? This country is more divided than any time since the Civil War, and both parties are falling apart. Reading the 4th Turning was a life-changing event. It is a bit dry at first, but once you read it, you look at EVERYTHING around you in the world differently. As predicted in the book, the things I watch that are failing to serve their original purpose: 1. NATO 2. Social Security (financially breaking our country) 3. U.N. 4. Breton Woods monetary system 5. Japan’s pacifist constitution 6. Glass-Steagall I won’t write my own book, here, but I could go on. All of these, and more, were created as a solution to the last crisis of the Great Depression and World War II. All are failing us. The world order is changing before our eyes. The question is: What will replace it?
    • SD
      Stephen D. | Contributor
      17 May 2019 @ 02:45
      Okay John we won't argue that Trump is a very untypical Republican, but in a way that's my point: Rather than be a 3rd Party candidate, he 'hijacked' the Republican party to achieve the Presidency. And yes, many of the institutions you name are evolving rapidly but isn't this evolution not revolution? And really my point wasn't to question the 4th Turning as a thesis, it was specifically to point out that whilst Messrs Malgren, Howe and Williams were talking about the Rise of Millenial influence in American politics, the town they are in is still very much ruled by old men and women.
  • BY
    Bowie Y.
    17 May 2019 @ 02:09
    This is what makes realvision great
  • SW
    Scott W.
    16 May 2019 @ 14:26
    One must be mindful of central tendency vs tendency of the most vocal. A narrative derived from the loudest voice at the time does not make that narrative more true, and widely consumed narratives often originate from those with a conformed worldview. And so I wonder how much stock can be placed in Howe's dissertation on generational symbolism ("this generation thought this, that generation thought that..."). It is perhaps too much simplification.
    • SW
      Scott W.
      16 May 2019 @ 14:53
      On the one hand. On the other hand, Howe is modeling, and models are by necessity simplifications....
    • DS
      David S.
      16 May 2019 @ 20:08
      I agree with your first statement. Each time we simplify the chance of reflecting the market diminishes. When we simplify a whole generation at a time what is the benefit. DLS
  • NB
    Niall B.
    16 May 2019 @ 19:50
    Great format
  • NR
    Nelson R.
    16 May 2019 @ 01:46
    This series should have started with a reasonable explanation of what is a fourth turning. Saying as little as possible to force people to buy the book is beneath RV and the guest speaker. Reminds me of Larry McDonald constantly plugging his Bear Traps Report in every interview he does. Please stop using used car salesman tactics with your subscribers, if it is the guests who are doing it then ask them not to. If we find the guest’s views and presentation insightful we will seek them out on our own but don’t turn RV into QVC. Full disclosure: I’ve read the damn book.
    • DS
      David S.
      16 May 2019 @ 08:28
      I agree that there is no there there. We all want to believe something. We need narratives to make sense of our world. If this makes sense of your life, then enjoy it. DLS
    • TO
      Tomasz O.
      16 May 2019 @ 18:19
      My sense is less book-plugging than not wanting to bog down the conversational, meandering flow with a jargon-heavy foundational presentation of 4th turning premises, which would have taken up half the episode (about how long it took Howe to explain it here with helpful graphics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yfb2zQjKWE).
  • DR
    David R.
    16 May 2019 @ 15:05
    Every few months there is a series that completely justifies my subscription beyond doubt. Bravo fellow GenX’er
  • AP
    Andrew P.
    16 May 2019 @ 14:04
    "Whoever is most passionate has the truth." -- the "post-truth" world seems to be balanced precariously.
  • CM
    Christian M.
    15 May 2019 @ 17:48
    NH does not know basic history if he thinks Lincoln was a "principled" man: suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, instigating an illegal war to prevent the spread of lightly taxed goods imported from England through an independent C.S.A., which would flow up to the industrialized north through a porous border, and the list goes on and on. This war was was about the Tariff of Abominations and states rights, not slavery. Read Lincoln's early speeches about slaves (yikes). Read Lord Acton. Lincoln was a scoundrel, but the victors write the narrative (not facts) of history. The video contain a lot of fancy story telling for a piece of ancient wisdom: history repeats because human beings NEVER learn...
    • JG
      James G.
      16 May 2019 @ 11:42
      That is a break from the taught narrative...but exactly right... But people will believe what they are told by authorities...three building collapsed at the acceleration of gravity on the same day ...third world terroris of course...
  • RM
    Rosa M.
    15 May 2019 @ 12:55
    Would like to hear more Dr Malmgren
    • CN
      Charles N.
      16 May 2019 @ 07:35
      A series like this with Dr. Malmgren would be amazing
  • NI
    Nate I.
    16 May 2019 @ 04:58
    I'm with Dr. Malmgren. The authoritarian aspect worries me the most and despots are drawn like flies to honey in that scenario. The US and the world are in deep trouble when a despot controls the superpower.
  • DS
    David S.
    15 May 2019 @ 21:08
    Love all Grant's Road Shows up to this one. I find Howe's analysis useless and simplistic generalizations. Had to stop watching. DLS
    • MS
      Michael S.
      16 May 2019 @ 04:06
      Yeah, lots of nonsense and then when he starts giving his "art critique" of the monuments you knew that it didn't care that he doesn't know what he's talking about. It was embarrassing to see them try to fit Malmgren into that "circular" history conversation.
  • WS
    William S.
    16 May 2019 @ 02:36
    The next war Memorial will be Iraq/Afghanistan and similar to Korea/Vietnam...for what? For what? Unfortunately Trump wins with his arguement that America was left behind , eg Education, Reform, Income inequality, etc because the so-called political Leadership from 2001 forward were hyper focused on spending trillions in the Middle East to protect "US Interests"....the so called black gold.,oil. What a colossal waste of resources with no end in sight. But Howe and others are right, as a result of this lack of internal focus, there will be an upheaval that will as in the past reset society hopefully in a positive way.
  • WS
    William S.
    16 May 2019 @ 02:26
    Excellent expose of events past and those to come...very well done.
  • CM
    Corey M.
    15 May 2019 @ 06:22
    Re read Fourth Turning a few weeks ago. Awesome to see Howe on here.
    • tr
      tom r.
      16 May 2019 @ 00:10
      This is just plain excellent. Makes you really stop and think.
  • JB
    Jason B.
    15 May 2019 @ 22:23
    I hope I'm wrong but the US is headed towards a violent, ideological civil war in 15 years or less. This is actually what the Soviets had planned for the US to collapse it from the inside out. However, the Soviet Union collapsed before the US so what's happening now to the US didn't benefit them. But, the seeds for what's happening now were planted decades ago. The seeds for creating such disagreement and argument over truth and what is reality with hardcore brainwashing was a blueprint around 100 years ago from Antonio Gramchi.
  • TS
    Tim S.
    15 May 2019 @ 21:14
    More Dr. Malmgen, please. His reflections on history over time are priceless.
  • SS
    Steven S.
    15 May 2019 @ 19:46
    Grant you should have pressed Malmgren on that Kennedy mood -before & after - question; it was a good one & a relevant one after seeing the Vietnam War Memorial.... He took the easy out with a Nixon response - maybe channelling Jim Garrison would be useful in this discussion by offering a deeper perspective on how true generational change is truncated by the unelected crony capitalist following ruling class. Excellent video either way ;)
  • LW
    Lukasz W.
    15 May 2019 @ 19:11
    The most disraptive for all cycles in 2000 years of our history was discovery of american continent. This followed global trade to move from roads (ie. Silk Road) to water. If technology allows one day road (ground) transportation to be more efficient a superpower will emerge from Euro-Asia again. However until then if water carries most of the global goods America will be in favour.
  • TH
    Truman H.
    15 May 2019 @ 17:56
    Malmgren reminds me of what the Japanese call a "national treasure." Such a pleasure, this interview. Eager for episode 3.
  • CW
    Casey W.
    15 May 2019 @ 14:50
    Great focus and contributors team! VERY important topic and fascinating lens you’ve identified from which to tell it.
  • MD
    M D.
    15 May 2019 @ 13:53
    The idea that a crisis could precipitate a rejection of old power structures for new prompts a thought: could a debt-led crisis that feeds its way thru FX prompt millennials to reject fiat for a decentralised crypto currency, I.e. bitcoin? Please note I am not a bitcoin fan and do not own a coin. The use case for BTC eludes me... until I think of its features against a crisis in a world with millennials on the rise.
  • AG
    Axel G.
    15 May 2019 @ 13:17
    Loved this analysis in big arcs!
  • HH
    HODL H.
    15 May 2019 @ 12:43
    Exciting to see boomers scared of the next crisis and millennials, they probably could have avoided there coming entitlement, wealth (estate and extreme wealth taxes), and property value reckoning had they actually saved for future generations and not looked to enrich themselves. No one from ‘08 is in jail and Enron execs are out freely walking around doing what sociopaths do. I am excited for the next 4th turning. There will be blood, people will be held accountable, the McConnell order and all that they are working. To protect will be thrown out the door. Will be interesting to watch. From, A millennial
  • RE
    Richard E. | Contributor
    15 May 2019 @ 12:27
    Very well done and thought-provoking as always Grant. Looking forward to the next installment.
  • OD
    Oleg D.
    15 May 2019 @ 12:04
    It looks like this is a link to E1, not 2.