Brave Browser: Taking Back Control of Your Data

Published on
February 2nd, 2021
55 minutes

Brave Browser: Taking Back Control of Your Data

The Interview - Crypto ·
Featuring Brendan Eich and Ash Bennington

Published on: February 2nd, 2021 • Duration: 55 minutes

Brendan Eich, founder and CEO of Brave, joins Ash Bennington, Real Vision senior editor, to discuss the Brave browser, basic attention token (BAT), and controlling your own data. Eich explains that Brave was created as a way for users to control the ads and cookies in their browser, noting that simply blocking ads and removing data hurts publishers. He wanted to allow both Brave users and publishers to benefit, so the basic attention token was created to allow users to pay publishers while still coordinating their own ad preferences. Describing Brave as leading the way in implementing data privacy for browsers, Eich states that their mission is to increase accessibility to privacy tools for the masses, putting the control of user data back into the users’ hands while also supporting publishers. Filmed on January 29, 2021.

Key Learnings: Brave is a browser aimed at supporting privacy and user-controlled data while supporting publishers and content creators. Privacy tools are becoming increasingly accessible to average users, and Brave pushes this to the next level by embedding user control in the browser. Regulators and users are demanding more user control and privacy of data, pointing to the fact that society is moving towards a user-centric era of data.



  • BT
    Brian T.
    22 February 2021 @ 21:41
    Legend! Great interview and so interesting. I’ve been using brave for a few years now and now I feel even better about using it.
  • DC
    Dominic C.
    21 February 2021 @ 23:40
    Using brave since years, amazing project
  • DK
    Daniel K.
    16 February 2021 @ 00:31
    I'm so glad you guys had Brendan Eich on!
  • DK
    Daniel K.
    16 February 2021 @ 00:31
    I'm so glad you guys had Brendan Eich on!
  • DK
    Daniel K.
    16 February 2021 @ 00:31
    I'm so glad you guys had Brendan Eich on!
  • JR
    John R.
    8 February 2021 @ 13:49
    Awesome info!
  • sp
    spencer p.
    7 February 2021 @ 18:28
    great interview Ash! as usual. i think we need to get you a background like that Brendans though! haha
  • sp
    spencer p.
    7 February 2021 @ 17:29
    watching this on Brave browser as well. well done.
  • jb
    joseph b.
    7 February 2021 @ 02:53
    Great interview. Will watch again. But where the hell is he? The Space Station? Geek Heaven?
  • JJ
    James J.
    5 February 2021 @ 23:09
    Watching this on Brave right now. Thanks Brendan. Also, thank you Ash for your thoughtful questions, excellent interview technique. So many interviewers seem more interested in the sound of their own voice than teasing the kind of insights out of their subjects in the way you do.
  • SA
    Sanne A.
    4 February 2021 @ 13:24
    Such a dense - in the good sense - and to the point interview. You give Brendan a breadcrumb and he gives so much information. The interview gives a great overview of when we started to build applications on the internet, how they evolved over time, the direction we are heading and how crypto currencies fit within that vision.
  • RD
    Ryan D.
    4 February 2021 @ 12:59
    As a software architect, who does pretty much nothing but web and mobile applications these days, I found this entire interview to be "just fascinating!" borrow Raoul's fave line :) great content!
  • SS
    Shane S.
    4 February 2021 @ 04:41
    I say this respectfully - this is my kind of nerd
  • TS
    Thomas S.
    3 February 2021 @ 21:10
    Brave ICO participant here. I saw a more thorough interview that Mr. Eich did right before that ICO. He hooked me right then and there. The guy really seems to have an in depth understanding of browsers, code and the internet advertising model, as well as a decent understanding of crypto. If you haven't tried Brave, download the mobile and desktop versions. Test its load times against your favorite non-Brave browser. I'll be surprised if you don't immediately notice the difference. And, that's one of the more compelling reasons to like BAT if you're into crypto: Many of the projects in this space are selling a dream -- some distant technology or process which may or may not come to fruition. The Brave browser is here now. Creators are being paid with BAT now. Browser users are earning BAT now. Advertisers are buying ads now. Have they overtaken Chrome? No. But, they're gaining, slowly but surely. Anyone who wants to check it out further, there's a weekly Brave Blogpost where you can follow their progress. Great interview, Ash!
    • AN
      ANDRE N.
      3 February 2021 @ 21:40
      Great product (Brave browser) and poor tokenomics... brave rewards is a flop so far. I sold all my tokens at 25 cents, it's at 30 cents after 2 years lol
    • TS
      Thomas S.
      4 February 2021 @ 00:50
      I think I paid the Eth equivalent of $0.05 cents a share in the ICO. But, of course, that was paid in Ether, which has increased even more than BAT since then. If there are any BAT owners here, you can earn around 8% APY on it by lending it out on Compound. About 2.5% of that is interest paid out in BAT, and around 5.5% of that is earned in the COMP token. Interest fluctuates depending on the utilization rate of the BAT pool but it's held pretty steady around 7% - 8% for a while. And, you'll be subject to the fluctuation of COMP -- great right now, but nothing goes up forever. Brave/BAT is going to take some time. It's not necessarily a good fit for those who crave the twitchiness of DeFi. Not saying that's you, just a general observation of where the hype cycle is right now.
  • Dv
    Daniel v.
    2 February 2021 @ 09:24
    Looks like RealVision made the Crypto tier free of charge by allowing companies to promote their product/service. On the other hand, I love the Brave browser.
    • AB
      Ash B. | Real Vision
      2 February 2021 @ 15:10
      Brave is in no way a sponsor of real vision content.
    • AB
      Ash B. | Real Vision
      2 February 2021 @ 15:12
      We interviewed Brendan because we find the work he is doing at Brave to be interesting and newsworthy.
    • JA
      John A.
      3 February 2021 @ 22:44
      That is kind of like claiming real vision would be sponsoring a Linux distro because they are interviewing Linus Torvalds. This guy is one of the people who made it possible for you to throw shade on the internet today. Keep that in mind. =)
  • MB
    Malcolm B.
    3 February 2021 @ 18:03
    Interesting to listen to the guy behind Brave and I was impressed with his overall approach to the goals of the browser and his approach to privacy in general. I had been a loyal user for a number of years on my aged macbook but was very disappointed when a few weeks ago Brave cut me off without warning or notification because the OS X software on my machine is no longer supported. Not everyone needs or wants the latest of everything if what the've got is working just fine and it would have been better if they had given us a heads up on this. A lot of folks on the Brave forum are as ticked as I am about this. I'm about ready to get myself a new machine but I think it was pretty poor PR to do what Brave did. I'll likely use them again but you can be sure that I'm on the lookout for a viable competitor. In the meantime it's back to Chrome and Firefox.
  • tc
    thomas c.
    3 February 2021 @ 00:59
    Been using Brave on my Mac for long time. Love it but Firefox is still better for all it's plugins.
    • RM
      Ryan M.
      3 February 2021 @ 16:35
      Can you explain this statement further? Brave supports every plugin that Chrome does.
  • CM
    Conal M.
    3 February 2021 @ 16:15
    Loved this video. This guy speaks my language.
  • TE
    Tito E.
    3 February 2021 @ 13:31
    Brendan the JS daddy. Legend!
  • CC
    Christopher C.
    3 February 2021 @ 05:34
    I loved hearing Brendan's train of thought about the challenges of social media self-sovereignty. Fascinating to get a window into his mind. He's brilliant, and has never lost his passion for open source, freedom of speech, and fighting the giants even after a long and storied career. Thanks for doing this one, Ash!
  • RM
    Ryan M.
    3 February 2021 @ 03:15
    Wow. What a conversation... Thanks for coming on Brendan. Your perspective is interesting, unique, and valuable. Also, great job with the interview Ash.
    • AB
      Ash B. | Real Vision
      3 February 2021 @ 04:47
      Thanks, Ryan
  • DM
    Douglas M.
    3 February 2021 @ 03:48
    He had me at PWNED. (16:12). YES.
  • MD
    Matt D.
    3 February 2021 @ 03:32
    Great interview - great guest. He's a bit of a legend. I remember using this funny thing called Mosaic back in the days. Then Mozilla and Netscape came along - cool to meet someone who was involved with that. Brave is great by the way!
  • Sk
    Sh k.
    3 February 2021 @ 02:24
    Wow - fantastic job getting Brendan Eich on the show! The depth in this content is incredible and definitely requires some technical background to appreciate it.
  • wo
    william o.
    3 February 2021 @ 00:56
    Great video Ash! Could you put together a step by step tutorial outlining how to change browsers on iPhones and Laptops?
  • SV
    Santiago V. | Contributor
    2 February 2021 @ 18:31
    Damn, this guys is tech BOSS!
    • CD
      Chris D.
      3 February 2021 @ 00:35
      BOSS is the right word ;-) He was one of the OGs at Netscape along with legends like Jamie Zawinski, a million years ago. Invented Javascript (now in 90% of web sites) in 10 days because Netscape management didn't want their browser to include Scheme, etc., etc.
  • AP
    Ash P.
    2 February 2021 @ 22:05
    This is so good by minute 12 that I had to pause so I could download Brave and watch the rest on it. See you in a bit. Ta.
  • RM
    Richard M.
    2 February 2021 @ 20:21
    Where is a "safe" place to download Brave from. I found 2 that "look" safe - one at and one at but I see a whole bunch of places to download it from (and some of the addresses just look to sketchy). Thanks.
    • GG
      Ghi G.
      2 February 2021 @ 20:55 is their official site, so download there
    • RM
      Richard M.
      2 February 2021 @ 22:05
      Thanks Ghi!
  • LB
    Lance B.
    2 February 2021 @ 21:42
    Nice one, thanks.
  • JG
    Jonnie G.
    2 February 2021 @ 21:06
    this was great content. I'm looking forward to test drive this software. Our company uses a lot of browsers for work related matter but this one seems to do the lot. Loved how passionate he came across and with a positive outlook
  • TB
    Tad B.
    2 February 2021 @ 20:35
    So glad you did this interview. Superbly explained. Im a techno-dunce but I really understood a lot of this. Been looking at putting this browser on my Macbook with a Ubikey .... if I can figure it all out. Love the way Ash just let Brendan roll. Brilliant !
  • WB
    William B.
    2 February 2021 @ 19:48 should get verified by Brave so it can collect donations through that ecosystem
  • MB
    Mark B.
    2 February 2021 @ 17:58
    Thanks for another great interview!
  • MB
    Marc B.
    2 February 2021 @ 17:20
    At 15:10, this is exactly what hive does. You own your account, no one can delete you. Websites become open-source skins acting as an interface to a decentralized backend storage system.
    • MB
      Marc B.
      2 February 2021 @ 17:20
      I mean at 39:15
  • MB
    Marc B.
    2 February 2021 @ 16:56
    Watching this using brave. Brave coupled with Hive will be the foundation of decentralizing data and value online.
  • RM
    Ron M.
    2 February 2021 @ 15:50
    By far the best browser out there. Eich has always been leading the way!
  • PG
    Philippe G.
    2 February 2021 @ 15:47
    Interesting - have heard whispers of this browser alternative
  • AB
    Alastair B.
    2 February 2021 @ 14:42
    Huge fan. Brave is the best browser out there
  • HR
    Humberto R.
    2 February 2021 @ 14:00
    Excellent and very timely. I've had Brave for almost a year but now its time to hook up my BAT and harness the full power of Brave. Thank you RV!
  • NF
    Neal F.
    2 February 2021 @ 13:18
    Great topic for RV to bring. Enjoyed the conversation.
  • TZ
    Toomas Z.
    2 February 2021 @ 12:11
    Genuinely think BAT is one of the most undervalued projects in this space. Would love to see this charted via Santiago/Raoul's network effects vs. price models, as I think it would show massive undervaluation based on the number of users. Also, at the moment there is no competition for this business model.
  • NA
    Nelson A.
    2 February 2021 @ 08:46
    That was great!