Real Vision CEO and co-founder Raoul Pal sits down with Beckon Capital’s David Nolan and Chris Selth to discuss why the time for impact and outcome-based investing is now and how Nolan was convinced to make the switch from macro to impact. Beginning from the premise that impact drives value and returns, they explain that the firms who are able to evaluate the scale and reach of their impact and then react accordingly are the ones that generate stakeholder value. They discuss the prior phases of impact investing that have led many to the false assumption that impact and profits cannot go hand in hand. They also highlight that technology and improved data is key driving this new phase of “impact 3.0” as companies and investors can now measure their true impact in ways they never could before. Filmed on April 13, 2021.