Capitalizing on Tech-Enabled Transformations

Published on
July 20th, 2018
Topic
Macro, Technology, China
Duration
76 minutes
Asset class
Equities

Capitalizing on Tech-Enabled Transformations

The Interview ·
Featuring Josh Wolfe

Published on: July 20th, 2018 • Duration: 76 minutes • Asset Class: Equities • Topic: Macro, Technology, China

In his much-anticipated return to Real Vision, Josh Wolfe, Lux Capital co-founder and managing director, speaks with Thiel Macro’s Michael Green about how 3D printing, virtual reality and the evolution of mathematical applications are bringing equality to the global economy. He explains that digital technology will soon transform the way in which trillions of dollars worth of physical goods are manufactured — and highlights how investors can capitalize as all these shifts occur. Filmed on June 5, 2018 in New York.

Comments

  • RM
    Rob M.
    6 December 2018 @ 14:57
    outstanding
  • VC
    Vince C.
    31 August 2018 @ 09:00
    Enjoyable breadth of discussion from two clearly intelligent men ASIDE from the ignorant statements Mike Green made on China. Being of Chinese ethnicity, I find it downright absurd to even think China has only been around 70 years. China is a 5000 year old civilisation masquerading as a country. Josh's comments on a mean reverting, resurgent China is a more applicable comparison than the Soviet Union. To truly understand why China is doing what it's doing one needs to look from the perspective of the Chinese and not from American thinking. Starting with something basic like understanding the language and culture would help. For the most, I do enjoy Mike's thoughtful comments and look forward to more interviews.
  • MP
    Matias P.
    31 August 2018 @ 05:16
    The interviewer should just ask questions, and share his opinions less
  • BB
    Brian B.
    30 July 2018 @ 21:06
    Simply Brilliant!
  • BV
    Brad V.
    28 July 2018 @ 10:52
    Great interview. The insights that RV offers up can only be recognised through experience and a lot of research. Having a platform that kicks that process off is worth its weight in gold.
  • RA
    Robert A.
    26 July 2018 @ 18:51
    Convenience = death. Just go type something or look in the drawer... Do NOT need a 7th finger. Solving problems that don't even need to exist.
  • RA
    Robert A.
    26 July 2018 @ 18:25
    Convenience = death.
  • RS
    Richard S.
    26 July 2018 @ 15:57
    Absolutely riveting content! This is the stuff that makes RealVision so worthwhile
  • PD
    Pat D.
    25 July 2018 @ 04:40
    I counted 45 "Thumbs Down". At first, I struggled to understand how anybody could give a "thumbs down" to this amazing interview, and then I recollected the last part of the interview when they (Mike & Josh) both agreed that the video arcade potentially catered to addicts and future geniuses. It takes all kinds to make this world and differing points of view are actually the rich tapestries that define the progress in our world.
  • CS
    Chuck S.
    24 July 2018 @ 22:49
    One of the greatest shows on RVTV. Mike is the king of the long form interview. Fantastic!
  • Sv
    Sid v.
    24 July 2018 @ 22:10
    Gosh my life is hum drummm! I wish had people like this to talk to and work with! Great show, thanks
  • Sv
    Sid v.
    24 July 2018 @ 22:10
    Gosh my life is hum drummm! I wish had people like this to talk to and work with! Great show, thanks
  • RE
    Richard E. | Contributor
    24 July 2018 @ 14:30
    Great job guys. Truly fascinating.
  • MK
    Michael K.
    24 July 2018 @ 12:56
    Great thought pieces interview. Too bad we can’t invest :-p
  • JG
    Jory G.
    23 July 2018 @ 19:34
    Best interview yet. Cannot believer anyone gave it a thumbs down.
  • LT
    Lucas T.
    23 July 2018 @ 15:49
    It seems most people fall into one of two camps. Either China is going to be the next great thing, so amazing, all conquering, etc etc. Or China is a basket full of lies and deceit and will topple like the house of cards it is under any number of issues from debt to communism. I tend to be in the later camp, and more cynical, but it is interesting to hear from guys like Wolf who are so enthusiastic and positive.
  • SS
    Sam S.
    23 July 2018 @ 11:14
    A look into the future from two very intelligent gentlemen. Mr. Green does a fantastic job of playing devils advocate, while Mr. Wolfe explains his visions------real visions. I loved it.
  • PV
    P V.
    23 July 2018 @ 08:08
    Michael G, please check your history before getting out on a limb and make a fool of yourself...re China's government "lasting only 100 years" you are embarrassing yourself. The last dynasty: 1644-1915, Ming 1388-1644, Tang 618-907 and the list goes on...The assertion that modern China can be understand through the lens of being a communist country is an embarrassment... These kind of comments sadly discredit your other opinions and contributions...
    • JH
      James H.
      23 July 2018 @ 10:20
      Seriously... This is not even remotely constructive, everyone seems to be a hero/genius these days behind a computer. It is almost as if you expected Mike to stop the interview so he could Google check Chinese Dynasties like yourself. Maybe you should learn how to construct a sentence and understand the differences between present and past tense before bagging someone out. "The assertion that modern china can be understand through the lens of being a communist country is an embarrassment". Mike Green does fantastic interviews and has a wealth of knowledge. If you spent more time listening and soaking up the content you may actually have learnt something today, rather than googling to prove a point.
  • DV
    Dimitri V.
    23 July 2018 @ 01:09
    Mind Blown! Awesome! More Josh Wolfe please
  • GS
    George S.
    22 July 2018 @ 23:10
    It's hard to describe how smart Josh Wolfe is! An RV Classic.
  • SA
    Scott A.
    22 July 2018 @ 22:21
    This was really really good. How does Mike Green know all of this stuff? RV should add a "what we are reading section".
    • MS
      Max S.
      23 July 2018 @ 02:14
      Great suggestion, it would be extremely interesting
    • JK
      Jeff K.
      23 July 2018 @ 04:44
      Excellent idea!
    • GA
      Giedrius A.
      29 July 2018 @ 18:21
      BRILLIANT
  • KC
    Kenneth C.
    22 July 2018 @ 17:16
    The real compliment to Real Vision is that each new interview tends to be so good that it becomes the best interview so far til then next one supplants it. I woke up kind of late this morning, mind was sluggish and decided to watch this to stimulate the brain. This was the equivalent of Redbull for the brain. Thanks for bringing this to us guys.
  • DB
    Douglas B.
    22 July 2018 @ 17:11
    Spectacular. Been a RV subscriber for a year and have to say this was hands down the best interview I have seen thus far. Two brilliant minds in Mike Green and Josh Wolfe. I am very much looking forward to when these two get together again.
  • MK
    Mike K.
    22 July 2018 @ 15:59
    The real Josh Wolfe: @wolfejosh (twitter)
  • DR
    Daniel R.
    22 July 2018 @ 09:55
    I'm delighted you're giving Mike Green more airtime of late. He's maybe my favorite interviewer in media period - always fully engaged with the interviewee and drawing more out of them.
    • DB
      Douglas B.
      22 July 2018 @ 17:13
      Couldn't agree more. Listening to Green creates new neuropathways in my brain.
  • JM
    John M.
    22 July 2018 @ 06:02
    Great interview and insights! New respect and appreciation for Michael Green. In previous interviews -- i.e. Chris Cole -- my wife and I have both felt like Michael Green has talked over his guest and has had a condescending 'know it all' attitude. This was totally different and a great step forward. Looking forward to future interviews!
  • HJ
    Harry J.
    22 July 2018 @ 02:11
    Love to see and listen to Mike Green. Always interesting. Som of the guests are good for very young people and some are so far out there the parents and grand parents of today may not live to see this play out. Great job RVTV And Mike Green.
  • MS
    Martin S.
    21 July 2018 @ 16:03
    Great interview - I really liked it. About the intention-recognizing bracelet: I don't know why, but things like that always bring out the dystopian in me. I can see how it would be a great boon as a user interface technology. But I can also easily imagine that the bracelet would have a wireless internet connection used to automatically upload every "intention" to a server somewhere. The server owners and / or the Government could analyze your "intentions" to best case: sell you more shit, but worst case: run some kind of "pre-crime" analysis in order to come and get you if you pursue some disallowed activity. For example, suppose the bracelet could recognize blocked impulses. Something makes you mad, and it recognizes that you had an aggressive impulse that you suppressed. After a certain number of such occurrences, the bracelet files a report with the authorities who then invite you to mandatory psychotherapy to get you back on track. A further development might be required wearing of the "bracelet" such that your house won't let you out unless you have your bracelet on, your car won't start if you don't have your bracelet on, you can't buy anything without your bracelet, can't use any electronic communication without it, etc. So cool technology, but high potential for abuse.
    • ww
      will w.
      24 July 2018 @ 04:23
      Per Pippa Malmgren's July 5 interview w/ Macrovoices Erik Townsend, such dystopia is apparently already operating in China (the 'Social Credit' system). SCARY!!!
  • je
    james e.
    21 July 2018 @ 14:47
    Simply brilliant - on both sides. Josh has a real clarity on the evolution of future technology and Michael is just an amazing conversational interviewer. Just an easy discussion and fascinating to watch between two very smart guys. Would love to have heard some specific investment ideas come from Josh (or Michael) but doesn't matter. Great interview.
  • AL
    Andrew L.
    21 July 2018 @ 13:04
    Love Mike Green but I am soooo over the techno optimism of silicon valley where everything is "making the world a better place" ™ How often have we heard the bull argument for 3D printing, autonomous driving etc.? All those bull arguments about the influence of tech over the next decades are at this point tired to anyone that has been paying attention other than Silicon Valley VCs to stroke their egos. The same VCs who's biggest hits are useless social sharing apps. The other hits fall into the sharing-economy and gig-economy molds, AirBnB, Uber, various last-mile delivery TaskRabbit shit jobs. These all indicate that in our economy technology can enable a rich, dynamic way for a dwindling middle class to cope financially. These transformative companies do not indicate a bullish economy. If they did people would be spending more money to stay at and fund stable hotels that pay staff instead of staying at someone else's house on AirBnB. These kinds of companies are being subsidized by the ignorance of their users. The drivers find out they are barely breaking even only a few years in and can't afford health-care. The homes available for rent don't indicate a dynamic rich economy they indicate people are hurting, either can't sell or need funds bc 9-5 / retirement fund ain't cutting it. Theres lots of excited optimism in tech but the harder I look not lots to be optimistic about.
    • GS
      Gordon S.
      21 July 2018 @ 13:20
      “If I wanted to see if I left something in a drawer, there's no way for me to do that. But if I had a small, multi-axis gripper on a simple Roomba that could go and navigate, and then remotely I put this on and I'm able to manipulate this thing in three-dimensional space, it's going to open up all kinds of possibilities.” Sounds to me like a lot could also go wrong… The biggest tail risk to all this if of course hacking, it would have been interesting to hear more on that.
    • MG
      Michael G. | Contributor
      21 July 2018 @ 15:08
      Andrew, genuinely appreciate your comment. I think it’s necessary to separate the challenges that exist for the middle class from the techno-optimism. They are two different vectors in the same economy. As the adage goes, “Necessity is the mother of invention” and as you point out, AirBnB and the gig economy have helped the middle (and lower) class “cope” with the challenges of a society with an increasing surplus of educated workers and a transition approaching for the application of robotics and AI for manual labor and semi-skilled knowledge workers. We saw similar dynamics in periods of technological advancement and labor displacement in the past, with societal challenges of addiction, unemployment and homelessness emerging during those periods as well. These patterns can be dated back at least as far as the transition from the Roman Republic to Empire (when large landholding farms emerged and small farmers were forced into servitude and homelessness, ultimately joining the army under the Marian reforms). The perspective that we are part of the rhythm of history does not change the societal stress, but perhaps helps reduce the individual stress and maybe offers some guidance for personal choices.
    • DR
      Daniel R.
      22 July 2018 @ 10:16
      SV and techno-optimism - yes, I get it, but entrepreneurism in general is founded on mostly excessive optimism. (The techno-silliness and herding is more my beef, but it is what it is). The entropy generated from innovation is good and bad, but historically mostly good. The big question for me is whether at some point the chaos overtakes our ability to digest and shape it to generally good ends. I strongly believe AirBnB / Uber is not the right target here - these are square within our ability to grasp and process the consequences. But when anyone can order a CRISPR kit, who the hell knows what the trajectory of that is. It is one thing having a world of increasing self-sovereignty (e.g. the decentralized internet that JW talked about, or agency over your own wealth via crypto) but technologies that potentially give everyone sovereignty over everyone else are truly scary.
  • GS
    Gordon S.
    21 July 2018 @ 12:52
    One feature I’ve requested and seen requested constantly are “show notes” - links to stuff mentioned in the conversation. This is a sketch of how I would imagine them to look like for this episode (of course I did not find everything mentioned, but in theory RV could :)). Maybe they’ll help and you find the idea useful. *** ################## Twitter Josh Wolfe @joshwolfe from Lux Capital https://www.luxcapital.com/ Michael Green @profplum99 from Thiel Macro ################## Private Companies Shapewaves [3D printed product design] https://www.shapeways.com/ Desktop Metal [Metal 3D printing] https://www.desktopmetal.com/ (what seems like the mentioned 3D printed part for BMW https://www.sicurauto.it/news/bmw-si-da-alla-stampa-3d-e-compra-desktop-metal.html) Zoox [Full stack autonomous driving] https://zoox.com/ Cruise [GM acquired autonomous driving] https://getcruise.com/ CryptoKitties [Crypto assets] https://www.cryptokitties.co/ Google Cardboard [Google VR] https://vr.google.com/cardboard/ Hikvision [Surveillance] https://www.hikvision.com/en/ SenseTime [AI Surveillance] https://www.sensetime.com/ DingTalk [Messenging] https://www.dingtalk.com/en DJI [Drones] https://www.dji.com/ Kallyope [Human Health] https://www.kallyope.com/ Nest [Home IoT from Google] https://nest.com/ Fortnite [Video Game] https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/battle-pass/season-5 Roblox [Video Game] https://www.roblox.com/ Shazam [Music Recognition] https://www.shazam.com/ ################## Public Companies BMW GM Uber Lyft Softbank Apple Huawei Google Amazon Microsoft Facebook Snapchat Alibaba Tecent Spotify Roomba Sony ################## Movies, TV shows & Books: Star Trek [TV Series] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060028/ Wag The Dog [Movie] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/ Westworld [TV Series] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475784/ Rocky IV [Movie] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089927/ 1984 [Movie, Book] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087803/ Minority Report [Movie] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/ ################## Other things: CRISPR [Wikipedia] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR Paperclip thought experiment [The Verge Article] https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2017/10/11/16457742/ai-paperclips-thought-experiment-game-frank-lantz A Magazine Is an iPad That Does Not Work [YouTube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXV-yaFmQNk ################## Maybe further suggested reads on the discussed topics? By interviewers and maybe crowd sourced? Here would be those on the top of my mind: The incredible inventions of intuitive AI [Ted Talk] https://www.ted.com/talks/maurice_conti_the_incredible_inventions_of_intuitive_ai How China's "Pragmatic Authoritarianism" And Russia's "Illiberal Democracy" Have Averted "The End Of History" [Zero Hedge Article] https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-29/how-chinas-pragmatic-authoritarianism-and-russias-illiberal-democracy-have-averted "Dystopia" In Chinese Surveillance... Looks A Lot Like US Surveillance [Zero Hedge Article] https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-10/dystopia-chinese-surveillance-looks-lot-us-surveillance Maybe you could add yours as a comment to experiment with the concept? [I mirrored the list with active hyperlinks on my blog: https://gordonschuecker.com/2018/07/21/real-vision-show-notes-capitalizing-on-tech-enabled-transformations/]
    • GS
      Gordon S.
      21 July 2018 @ 12:56
      Ehm sorry for the formatting mess... (and the double posting). This is not how I intended it to look like... The main message: One feature I’ve requested and seen requested constantly are “show notes” - links to stuff mentioned in the conversation. This is a sketch of how I would imagine them to look like for this episode (of course I did not find everything mentioned, but in theory RV could :)). Maybe they’ll help and you find the idea useful. Link to everything: https://gordonschuecker.com/2018/07/21/real-vision-show-notes-capitalizing-on-tech-enabled-transformations/ Maybe further suggested reads on the discussed topics? By interviewers and maybe crowd sourced? Maybe you could add yours as a comment to experiment with the concept?
    • GS
      Gordon S.
      21 July 2018 @ 13:00
      Is text formatting currently broken in the comment section?
    • FS
      Felipe S.
      22 July 2018 @ 15:01
      I second this! It will def increase the value offering.
  • GS
    Gordon S.
    21 July 2018 @ 12:51
    One feature I’ve requested and seen requested constantly are “show notes” - links to stuff mentioned in the conversation. This is a sketch of how I would imagine them to look like for this episode (of course I did not find everything mentioned, but in theory RV could :)). Maybe they’ll help and you find the idea useful. *** ################## Twitter Josh Wolfe @joshwolfe from Lux Capital https://www.luxcapital.com/ Michael Green @profplum99 from Thiel Macro ################## Private Companies Shapewaves [3D printed product design] https://www.shapeways.com/ Desktop Metal [Metal 3D printing] https://www.desktopmetal.com/ (what seems like the mentioned 3D printed part for BMW https://www.sicurauto.it/news/bmw-si-da-alla-stampa-3d-e-compra-desktop-metal.html) Zoox [Full stack autonomous driving] https://zoox.com/ Cruise [GM acquired autonomous driving] https://getcruise.com/ CryptoKitties [Crypto assets] https://www.cryptokitties.co/ Google Cardboard [Google VR] https://vr.google.com/cardboard/ Hikvision [Surveillance] https://www.hikvision.com/en/ SenseTime [AI Surveillance] https://www.sensetime.com/ DingTalk [Messenging] https://www.dingtalk.com/en DJI [Drones] https://www.dji.com/ Kallyope [Human Health] https://www.kallyope.com/ Nest [Home IoT from Google] https://nest.com/ Fortnite [Video Game] https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/battle-pass/season-5 Roblox [Video Game] https://www.roblox.com/ Shazam [Music Recognition] https://www.shazam.com/ ################## Public Companies BMW GM Uber Lyft Softbank Apple Huawei Google Amazon Microsoft Facebook Snapchat Alibaba Tecent Spotify Roomba Sony ################## Movies, TV shows & Books: Star Trek [TV Series] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060028/ Wag The Dog [Movie] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/ Westworld [TV Series] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475784/ Rocky IV [Movie] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089927/ 1984 [Movie, Book] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087803/ Minority Report [Movie] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/ ################## Other things: CRISPR [Wikipedia] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR Paperclip thought experiment [The Verge Article] https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2017/10/11/16457742/ai-paperclips-thought-experiment-game-frank-lantz A Magazine Is an iPad That Does Not Work [YouTube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXV-yaFmQNk ################## Maybe further suggested reads on the discussed topics? By interviewers and maybe crowd sourced? Here would be those on the top of my mind: The incredible inventions of intuitive AI [Ted Talk] https://www.ted.com/talks/maurice_conti_the_incredible_inventions_of_intuitive_ai How China's "Pragmatic Authoritarianism" And Russia's "Illiberal Democracy" Have Averted "The End Of History" [Zero Hedge Article] https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-29/how-chinas-pragmatic-authoritarianism-and-russias-illiberal-democracy-have-averted "Dystopia" In Chinese Surveillance... Looks A Lot Like US Surveillance [Zero Hedge Article] https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-10/dystopia-chinese-surveillance-looks-lot-us-surveillance Maybe you could add yours as a comment to experiment with the concept? [I mirrored the list with active hyperlinks on my blog: https://gordonschuecker.com/2018/07/21/real-vision-show-notes-capitalizing-on-tech-enabled-transformations/]
  • BF
    Bret F.
    21 July 2018 @ 08:04
    Interesting ideas for sure. But when and where is the natural order of life. When do we lose control and become unhuman?
  • SB
    S. B.
    21 July 2018 @ 06:35
    too short, should be 4-5 episodes :-)
  • CM
    Carl M.
    21 July 2018 @ 05:32
    Like Taggart in Blazing Saddles, I, as a true "provincial putz," add a "Ditto" to the positive comments heretofore. I would have liked more discussion on "energy" tech as a game changing disruptor.
    • GS
      Gordon S.
      21 July 2018 @ 09:42
      Definitely agree with respect to energy! There is so much happening there and I feel that RV is not covering this field enough. I can only highly recommend reading Bloomberg New Energy Finance and would love RV to interview its founder Michael Liebreich. I feel that RV is stuck at the “Tesla is a fraud” step (which may very well be the case) and for that reason stops looking deeper. Elon Musk may land in jail, but his energy vision is percolating…
    • MG
      Michael G. | Contributor
      21 July 2018 @ 14:53
      Agree completely on energy and would really like to push here... unfortunately all my research so far says it’s like flying cars (for the masses) and perpetually 10-15 years away. Both Josh and I agree that the future is nuclear (and ultimately energy waste and heat energy DISPOSAL), but the currently overabundant supplies of natural gas are likely to keep that in check until greater DEMAND emerges. Will make it a priority to push in this area (after a detour into activist investing!)
  • jh
    janet h.
    21 July 2018 @ 03:16
    WOW great interview....love the enthusiasm regarding the future!
  • PB
    Pieter B.
    21 July 2018 @ 01:42
    Wow so much value! Massive thanks!
  • DL
    David L. | Contributor
    20 July 2018 @ 22:11
    Phenomenal guys. Excellent content. Bravo!
  • SB
    Sulinder B.
    20 July 2018 @ 18:24
    If anyone wants to follow Josh on Twitter,it's actually @wolfejosh...
  • dj
    daniel j.
    20 July 2018 @ 18:21
    This deserves two thumbs up!! :-)
  • GL
    Geoffrey L.
    20 July 2018 @ 17:45
    This was absolutely fascinating and got really good when talking about China. Definitely taking Mike Green's side here and I'm not sure how Josh can talk about China's lack of revanchism when it has been one of its singularly most defining domestic policy issues, especially under Xi. I mean, they're literally building islands in the South China Sea. They are doing everything in their power to establish supremacy over Taiwan. They may suffer major economic collapse that prevents their ascendancy but it's not like their efforts aren't there. And if we know one thing, it's that a country like China, run by Communists, let's not forget, is more than willing to let its people suffer in order to flex its muscles or rather than admit its wrong.
    • SH
      Steve H.
      20 July 2018 @ 21:49
      A couple of points: 1. China currently lives and dies by maritime trade - hence its incipient effort to diversify through the land-based corridors in OBOR. China's maritime neighbourhood is dominated by US carrier battlegroups, supported by significant base facilities in Okinawa, Japan, and Korea as well as Guam. (Imagine how the US would feel about Chinese battlegroups cruising the Gulf of Mexico out of bases in Cuba and Mexico!) Illegal though they almost certainly are, the Chinese island-building initiatives are in this context defensive. Its recent assertiveness towards Taiwan is undoubtedly oriented towards supporters of the island's independence movement, but it is also a message to the US that were conflict to break out in the Korean peninsula the scope of that conflict would quickly become regional. 2. Whether one believes that modern China is 'run by Communists' in anything other than name depends upon one's definition of communism. 3. Your view that the CPC is 'is more than willing to let its people suffer in order to flex its muscles or rather than admit it's wrong' is insufficiently nuanced. It is certainly the case that both the leadership and the people in China have a far higher tolerance of economic pain than today's western snowflakes - but much depends on the source of that pain. If it is clearly external - Trump, for example - they will indeed 'willingly suffer'. If the pain is domestically-sourced - say through economic mismanagement or corruption (which almost reached a tipping point prior to Xi's arrival) - unrest would manifest itself quickly and widely. The overriding imperative for the CPC is maintaining legitimacy, and this constrains its scope for policy screw-ups relative to the freedom in this regard that Mao had. Despite Xi's inarguable consolidation of power, even he is not omnipotent - hence, for example, the delicacy with which he is trying to engineer deleveraging in the shadow banking system without choking liquidity in the wider economy.
    • RM
      Robert M.
      21 July 2018 @ 18:25
      Steve seriously: "China isn't run by communists".
    • GL
      Geoffrey L.
      22 July 2018 @ 15:21
      Steve - I'm not sure I can really see any counterpoints in (2) and (3). Looks like you mostly agree? And, as far as Taiwan goes, the PRC doesn't recognize it as a state, nor do they recognize Tsai as its president and they encourage other countries to do the same. To call their 70-year position one of "assertiveness" seems a bit comically generous. To call their circling the island with PLAAF nuclear-capable jets over and over again along with literally thousands of other aircrafts in one of the largest demonstrations in recent history in April "assertiveness" is horrible. Even, ya know, immoral. Taiwan is a free country. China is an oppressive regime that jails and disappears political dissidents. I mean, seriously, "insufficiently nuanced." I'm not sure that creating a social credit dossier of millions of citizens based on mass surveillance that is then used to prevent them from doing simply things like buying train tickets requires the level of nuance that you seem to require to just say that it's flat-out wrong. The more I write the more I find myself getting furious as this excuse-making for these scumbags. You'd consider rounding up a family and torturing the paterfamilias for information something a "snowflake" would complain about? Idk, that seems... kinda disgraceful. But we don't have to speculate. All we have to do is wait until their credit bubble bursts, their population ages and starves, and the government to tighten the noose around its neighbors and citizens.
  • TR
    Todd R.
    20 July 2018 @ 17:17
    this was so good. i think one of my all time favorites.
  • SS
    Steve S.
    20 July 2018 @ 12:51
    I never thought it would be possible but Michael Green has surpassed Grant Williams and is now the top dog interviewer on Real Vision. Never seen a bad interview with him in it. Amazing. Loved this.
  • MG
    Mohamed G.
    20 July 2018 @ 12:26
    Michael Green is a fkn G. All his interviews are gold.

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