With the Fed apparently pressing ahead with rate hikes, real interest rates have been on the rise. Yet gold has been seemingly undeterred in recent weeks, having made a strong start to 2023. Seasoned commodity investor Rick Rule tells Maggie Lake why he’s bullish on the precious metal given current debt levels, the weaponization of the dollar, monetary policy, and the potential for real rates to reverse. Stick around at the end of the episode as Real Vision analyst James Helliwell adds some actionable takeaways on how to play the upside. Recorded on January 24, 2023.